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    Hypothetically, if a 5 is as perceived as "incompetent", then that can have an impact and they may worry about how others see them, in that sense. If the OP's fear is centered around helplessness, being incapable, being seen as incompetent, then it is possible that's he's a 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    but to the degree of massive emotional upheaveal and crying? (No offense OP - I'm a 4 and can totally get that). That doesn't sound 5-ish to me, and neither does an overwhelming fear of how one is being perceived. I am highly curious in how likely this sceanrio would be for a 5 as well...
    Fives also have feelings and cry, y'know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    OP- what upset you more? Having others think poorly of the way you presented yourself, or having others find the data of your presentation wrong?
    I would say the latter. I do care about presentation as well, but while I was really embarassed about my crying at the time, I forgave myself as I understood why it happened and people were being very supportive afterwards. I often don't mind looking vulnerable, but looking stupid I can't tolerate in myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    Hypothetically, if a 5 is as perceived as "incompetent", then that can have an impact and they may worry about how others see them, in that sense. If the OP's fear is centered around helplessness, being incapable, being seen as incompetent, then it is possible that's he's a 5.
    Yeah I'm really scared of looking stupid, but also fear bad choices in general - I strongly resist being lulled into a false sense of security and am a real pessimist. Sorry if that doesn't clear anything up.

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    Is the fear mostly focused on the social aspect or most things in general? What you said still does not rule out 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternatum View Post
    Yeah I'm really scared of looking stupid, but also fear bad choices in general - I strongly resist being lulled into a false sense of security and am a real pessimist. Sorry if that doesn't clear anything up.
    I'm sensing a general undercurrent of anxiety and a difficulty in making decisions confidently, at least without a fear of looking like you don't know what you're doing. A subconscious need to avoid looking like a fool and be taken advantage of when you're most vulnerable. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternatum View Post
    Well for example, the other day I had to do a powerpoint presentation, in a venue I found somewhat intimidating. I got increasingly nervous during the presentation, getter shorter of breath and finding it more difficult to speak. By half-way down the last slide I found it impossible to continue and shortly afterwards could not stop from crying with frustration/embarassment. A large part of the trouble is not knowing what the audience is thinking during presentations, but also worrying that what I have presented is standing up to public scrutiny. So basically the emotionality, the fear of silence, the lack of confidence in my own perceptions and analysis.

    If E5 is capable of all this however, then it is in with a shot.

    I was just scanning through this thread, and upon reading this, recognized a type 6 from the part of your quote which I put in boldface. That is clearly a type 6 trait.

    Edit - I decided to look at your profile for an e-type, and it says 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternatum View Post
    Thanks for the replies and votes - it is interesting they are all for 5.

    I apologise however for not being entirely upfront about the reason for this thread/poll, which is not meant as a straightforward type-me request. If it had been I would have outlined my reasons in favour of 6. I am instead looking for reasons why I could be wrong by presenting instead what seems out-of-type for 6. Basically it is my view that type manifestation is not as straightforward as is depicted, and it is least straightforward for types 6 and 9, who are most likely to develop 'over-personas' resembling other types. If I wanted to I could write a mini-thesis outlining how a 6 can (superficially) resemble any other type, based on self and other observation. However, I prefer not to rely solely on my own (subjective) perceptions.

    Another reason I don't think I'm a 5 is because I am simultaneously attracted/repelled by others' opinions. It's like I want to know what they are to help inform my own, but am achingly aware of how easily my thinking can be smothered by that of others (note that 3/6/9 all have a fragile psychological boundary in relation to other people, but with a different emphasis for each). My basic reaction to this is to distance myself from others to help maintain independence of mind, though there are additional reasons for doing this.
    The 6w5 is the "more independent" side of the type 6. The quote provided in the OP sounds vaguely fourish (problem with identity) and more five-ish at the end (minimizing involvement). But from there on out, your comments come across strongly as type 6, and with the independent/withdrawing aspect you've mentioned along the way, definitely 6w5.

    If I may, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with identity, but rather an internal conflict between the underlying motives of your primary and wing types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternatum View Post
    Yeah I'm really scared of looking stupid, but also fear bad choices in general - I strongly resist being lulled into a false sense of security and am a real pessimist. Sorry if that doesn't clear anything up.
    Although the 5/6/7 triad is known for problems with anxiety, none of these three types really emphasize fear and insecurity the way your posts do - except for the 6.

    The only way you could NOT be a 6 (particularly, 6w5) is if we throw out Enneagram theory completely and start all over again with a new paradigm. Almost all your posts where you describe yourself, except for the OP, utterly scream 6. The OP quote just happens to describe some 5-wing traits.

    Edit - regarding the pessimism you mentioned above, the type 6 at level 5 is called, in Personality Types, the Ambivalent Pessimist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    I'm sensing a general undercurrent of anxiety and a difficulty in making decisions confidently, at least without a fear of looking like you don't know what you're doing. A subconscious need to avoid looking like a fool and be taken advantage of when you're most vulnerable. Right?
    Yes, but I also fear mistakes in general (though it depends on the enormity of the mistake), and the fact that there is nothing you can do to absolutely ensure physical safety, or things like not getting wrongly convincted of a crime/going to jail.

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