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    Default Primal Fears of Sociopaths, Psychopaths and those who Indulge

    11.(Psychopaths) This type has trouble picking up on emotional signs being devoid of sensibility, not naturally responsive to body language one might only catch subliminally. The sensibility this type lacks is often more manifest in their lack of extrospective feeling, and so calculation is used to compensate their disposition.
    They come across as sublimely calm, or when coupled with the sloth of 9 they come across as relaxed.

    12.(Sociopaths with wrath) Twelve’s are people who have had trauma in childhood, but not necessarily the direct bodily contact kind, instead the unsteady home environment kind; perhaps an unreliable parental figure, or finances that necessitated lots quarrels in the household and/or moves… Twelve’s are generally very intelligent and although this might not be apparent on the surface because they appear so dismissive of others, twelve’s centers their world around being right and beyond criticism, choosing the correct attitude or opinion is the substitute for being at ease inside. One thing I know for certain, sociopaths lack placidity.

    12. This type is generally very functional, they appear like most other types except for their great intensity, and sharpness that might cut you when you expect a measure of politeness over their strong will to fulfill their whims. They have a very strong sense of what they want to do, and will let few things stop them. They get annoyed easily, often the product of childhoods that underwent great uncertainty, robbing the 12 of a placid temperament. You can often notice the intensity of 12's in their quest to maintain a kind of certainty in their schema, often it’s the propensity to be correct in some manner, and to maintain a calculated schema that affords them a kind static arrangement that substitutes for placidity, threats to this schema are met with a strong negative emotional and or other response.
    Sociopaths with wrath come across as annoyed, whereas Sociopaths with Justice (a fair and balanced critical faculty) come across as shocked.


    13.(Indulgence with pride) Thirteen is the indulgent type; this is the closest to love you will see in the metagram, 13's are indulgent, perhaps in work, or play, whatever it is, if they like doing it, they will embellish their endeavours for their own sake, taking each encounter with indulgence they can take pride in, they often do their best to improve and better their artful tact, or whichever labour they have chosen to focus on. Indulgence might not be the best word to use, but one thing I do know, !3's lack moderation.

    13's with prudence have a rushed demeanor, this is caused by their incessant need to perform;- I can't describe further as I haven't come across this type version, well perhaps I have come across one.


    From any of these descriptions can anyone render a primal fear for the base dispositions of: Apathy (Psychopath), Excitability (Sociopath), or Indulgence.
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    I think the sociopaths' primal desire is probably 'Complete relativism- or, always being right', from this I guess you can extrapolate their primal fear to be: 'Imposed concessions-or, burdening guilt'

    It seems to me 13's primal desire is to be competent, or to accomplish, so I guess their fear would be... hmmmm not sure...
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    Didn't you say @Little Linguist was a rushed 13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza_tema View Post
    Didn't you say @Little Linguist was a rushed 13?
    He said that I was a rushed 13, too.
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    He said that I was a rushed 13, too.
    So what's your primal fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza_tema View Post
    So what's your primal fear?
    My real primal fear or my primal fear if I was a 13? The second, I don't know. What is my primal fear, Zang?
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
    06/13 10:51:08 shortnsweet: no you!!
    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
    06/13 10:51:23 five sounds: oh hell naw
    06/13 10:51:55 shortnsweet: !!!!
    06/13 10:51:57 shortnsweet: (cries)
    06/13 10:52:19 RiftsWRX: You two are like furbies stuck in a shoe box

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    Where are you getting the numbers from ? (e.g., 11, 12, 13, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    I think the sociopaths' primal desire is probably 'Complete relativism- or, always being right', from this I guess you can extrapolate their primal fear to be: 'Imposed concessions-or, burdening guilt'

    It seems to me 13's primal desire is to be competent, or to accomplish, so I guess their fear would be... hmmmm not sure...
    Oh, oops, I didn't see that. You're asking, not telling us. I'm definitely not a 13 if the primal desire is to accomplish or perform, seems like I may go in an almost opposite direction of that.
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
    06/13 10:51:08 shortnsweet: no you!!
    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
    06/13 10:51:23 five sounds: oh hell naw
    06/13 10:51:55 shortnsweet: !!!!
    06/13 10:51:57 shortnsweet: (cries)
    06/13 10:52:19 RiftsWRX: You two are like furbies stuck in a shoe box

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Where are you getting the numbers from ? (e.g., 11, 12, 13, etc.)
    This is Zang's own take on the enneagram which has 12+1 types. He calls it the metagram and has posted several threads about it, but for the most part, his expositions on the theme are reserved for Vent conversations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza_tema View Post
    This is Zang's own take on the enneagram which has 12+1 types. He calls it the metagram and has posted several threads about it, but for the most part, his expositions on the theme are reserved for Vent conversations.
    Thanks. I had guessed it to be something like this, and did do a preemptory search on the topic, but hadn't yet found anything substantial.
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