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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Hole Sun View Post
    Oh yes it is thank you for the link, I find it awesome lol, Soo is your INFJ friend more "out there" and more in the world? do you think he fits the 3w4 type?
    He's very good at social networking (IRL, not online). It's funny, because he would say he is more social than I am, which is true in the sense that I don't seek people out (and frankly, I don't connect easily/quickly with people), but yet, when socializing, I often participate more in conversation. He'll hang back & observe, but organize the whole thing.
    I considered 1w2 for him, and it's still possible, but I think he is more image-oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I don't feel any conflict between the two. It's not like one side of me is INTP and the other is 4w5, they're merged and work together. I suppose what makes me different from a stereotypical 4 is that I'm not melodramatic, temperamental, or expressive, and I'm probably not as sensitive. I keep my feelings on the inside and act based on logic. If you met me in person, you would probably say I'm more like a 9 or a 5 than a 4, and that's because I don't fit the stereotype, and the things that make me a 4 are mostly things that don't show on the outside. That's why every time I take an enneagram test I end up getting 9, then 5, and then 4 in that order. I swear, I always get 9 just because I'm agreeable.
    What primarily matters is this:
    Type 5
    Key Motivations: Want to possess knowledge, to understand the environment, to have everything figured out as a way of defending the self from threats from the environment.

    and this

    Type 4
    Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer."
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    What primarily matters is this:
    Type 5
    Key Motivations: Want to possess knowledge, to understand the environment, to have everything figured out as a way of defending the self from threats from the environment.

    and this

    Type 4
    Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer."
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
    All of those motivations for both types fit me, though I'm much more drawn to 4's motivations. In case you're wondering, I don't have a single doubt about my type right now. I've already considered everything, not just the motivations, and determined that 4 is the better fit, by far. It makes me wonder how I ever deceived myself into thinking I was not a 4. When I read the descriptions for type 4, they fit me perfectly. So well, in fact, I get chills just from reading it. That's the one, that's my type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    All of those motivations for both types fit me, though I'm much more drawn to 4's motivations. In case you're wondering, I don't have a single doubt about my type right now. I've already considered everything, not just the motivations, and determined that 4 is the better fit, by far. It makes me wonder how I ever deceived myself into thinking I was not a 4. When I read the descriptions for type 4, they fit me perfectly. So well, in fact, I get chills just from reading it. That's the one, that's my type.
    That's what I thought too - for about one month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That's what I thought too - for about one month.
    I'm curious, what was it that made you decide you were a 5 and not a 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I'm curious, what was it that made you decide you were a 5 and not a 4?
    Excellent question. I would say - nothing. The type 4 qualities I had previously just vanished one day. The day before they up and left, I was like this:
    As long as they believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, they cannot allow themselves to experience or enjoy their many good qualities. To acknowledge their good qualities would be to lose their sense of identity (as a suffering victim) and to be without a relatively consistent personal identity (their Basic Fear).
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typefour.asp

    and the next day I was no longer like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Excellent question. I would say - nothing. The type 4 qualities I had previously just vanished one day. The day before they up and left, I was like this:

    As long as they believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, they cannot allow themselves to experience or enjoy their many good qualities. To acknowledge their good qualities would be to lose their sense of identity (as a suffering victim) and to be without a relatively consistent personal identity (their Basic Fear).
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typefour.asp

    and the next day I was no longer like that.
    Well, maybe you're a really healthy 4, or maybe you really are a 5. I was a 5 for a while, but I was never fully satisfied with it because at one point I no longer fit into any of the levels of development. I think 4's levels fit me better all the way through, not just in the average levels.

    By the way, I'm not sure if you've seen this link: http://sites.google.com/site/upatel8/personalitytype4. The levels of development on there are the most detailed of any I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I think 4's levels fit me better all the way through, not just in the average levels
    This is a good point to consider. You should relate to most levels of your type at various points throughout your life. I can see myself in the 4 from the bottom to the top, depending on how stable I was/am. I may relate to aspects of other types, but not at every level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Actually, there seem to be very few INFJs willing to admit to a 6 enneagram...but I think that has more to do with what people WANT to be, than anything else...

    I thought I was supposed to be a 4 at first, but it just didn't fit (there are aspects I relate to, but overall it doesn't fit.) I'm not enough of a special snowflake.
    I don't understand why people don't want to admit to being 6s. Is it because it's so common? I feel like 6 fits me so well, even better than 4, and I thought I was a 4 for a long time, but I was just one of those 4w3/6w7 mix-ups. 4w3 is still in my triad though.

    I'm proud to be a 6.

    I know an ISTJ 9 who could seem ISFP in some respects if you don't know him well (referring to the "look alikes" chart)...and I think it makes more sense than ISTP for him. He's extremely externally structured, is interested in controlling and managing his environment, has the Te wall up, can even be perceived as sarcastic and "mean" sometimes by his own family members apparently....but he has this strong, strong Fi value about, for example, staying very quiet and controlled and rational when other people are upset or yelling. He's also VERY introverted. He fits the 9 type perfectly in other aspects, and he's also obviously an Si/Te/Fi/Ne. Not ISFJ. Lacks Fe expression, much too emotionally detached from most people and things; the detachment is actually part of his barrier to avoid his 9-ish fear of loss and separation. He's about a level 5 or 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Well, maybe you're a really healthy 4, or maybe you really are a 5. I was a 5 for a while, but I was never fully satisfied with it because at one point I no longer fit into any of the levels of development. I think 4's levels fit me better all the way through, not just in the average levels.

    By the way, I'm not sure if you've seen this link: http://sites.google.com/site/upatel8/personalitytype4. The levels of development on there are the most detailed of any I've seen.
    I will look into the type 5 page of that site. I attribute my original type 4 call to a wing that was overpowering my main type.

    Edit - the levels of development descriptions are not as detailed as those in Personality Types.
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