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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    haha wow, my deepest apologies for suggesting you read a book on a subject you're interested in but grossly misinformed about. i understand what you're trying to say you're just.. wrong. i said to read a book because i have one (wisdom of the enneagram) that describes how the instinct variants blend with each enneagram type. but you're the expert i guess hahaaa
    I am not wrong, they blend mostly, but sometimes they want different things. they are not always in agreement with each other. So wants to blend in with the group, but an So 4 is going to be more tentative about blending in because they don't want to loose their identity. I don't need to be an expert on the enneagram to know that, nor do I claim to be. it's a simple concept and common sense to anyone who knows even a little bit about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catharsis View Post
    Yes, I understood that from your original post, but that is only true on a superficial level. Like chana pointed out, type and instinct blend.
    I was pointing out a superficial correlation deliberately. like I said, I'm intelligent enough to know it's more complicated than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I am not wrong, they blend mostly, but sometimes they want different things. they are not always in agreement with each other. So wants to blend in with the group, but an So 4 is going to be more tentative about blending in because they don't want to loose their identity. I don't need to be an expert on the enneagram to know that, nor do I claim to be. it's a simple concept and common sense to anyone who knows even a little bit about it.
    Social instinct is about pushing your energy toward the social sphere and a deep need of belonging. It isn't about conformity, thus it doesn't really interfere with type 4's fear of losing their identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catharsis View Post
    Social instinct is about pushing your energy toward the social sphere and a deep need of belonging. It isn't about conformity, thus it doesn't really interfere with type 4's fear of losing their identity.
    it does if belonging pressures them to act or believe the same things as those in the group, which isn't always the case, but it's very common
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    It's meaningful, I think, to look at what variant of each type is the most current and wich one is the rarest.

    The most current variety of 1 is 1w9 So/Sp, the rarest are 1w2 Sx/Sp and 1w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 2 is 2w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w1 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 3 is 3w2 So/Sp, the rarest is 3w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 4 is 4w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 4w5 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 5 is 5w6 Sp/So, the rarest is 5w4 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6 is 6w5 Sp/So, the rarest is 6w5 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 7 is 7w6 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w8 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 8 is 8w9 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w7 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 9 is 9w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 9w8 Sx/So.

    With wings:

    The most current variety of 1w9 is 1w9 So/Sp, the rarest is 1w9 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 1w2 is 1w2 So/Sp, the rarest are 1w2 Sx/Sp and 1w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 2w1 is 2w1 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w1 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 2w3 is 2w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w3 Sp/Sx.

    The most current variety of 3w2 is 3w2 So/Sp, the rarest is 3w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 3w4 is 3w4 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 3w4 Sp/So

    The most current variety of 4w3 is 4w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 4w3 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 4w5 is 4w5 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 4w5 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 5w4 is 5w4 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 5w4 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 5w6 is 5w6 Sp/So, the rarest are 5w6 So/Sx and 5w6 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6w5 is 6w5 Sp/So, the rarest is 6w5 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6w7 is 6w7 So/Sx, the rarest is 6w7 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 7w6 is 7w6 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w6 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 7w8 is 7w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w8 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 8w7 is 8w7 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w7 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 8w9 is 8w9 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w9 So/Sx.

    The most current variety of 9w8 is 9w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 9w8 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 9w1 is 9w1 Sp/So, the rarest are 9w1So/Sx and 9w1 Sx/Sp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's meaningful, I think, to look at what variant of each type is the most current and wich one is the rarest.

    The most current variety of 1 is 1w9 So/Sp, the rarest are 1w2 Sx/Sp and 1w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 2 is 2w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w1 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 3 is 3w2 So/Sp, the rarest is 3w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 4 is 4w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 4w5 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 5 is 5w6 Sp/So, the rarest is 5w4 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6 is 6w5 Sp/So, the rarest is 6w5 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 7 is 7w6 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w8 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 8 is 8w9 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w7 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 9 is 9w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 9w8 Sx/So.

    With wings:

    The most current variety of 1w9 is 1w9 So/Sp, the rarest is 1w9 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 1w2 is 1w2 So/Sp, the rarest are 1w2 Sx/Sp and 1w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 2w1 is 2w1 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w1 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 2w3 is 2w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 2w3 Sp/Sx.

    The most current variety of 3w2 is 3w2 So/Sp, the rarest is 3w2 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 3w4 is 3w4 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 3w4 Sp/So

    The most current variety of 4w3 is 4w3 So/Sx, the rarest is 4w3 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 4w5 is 4w5 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 4w5 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 5w4 is 5w4 Sp/Sx, the rarest is 5w4 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 5w6 is 5w6 Sp/So, the rarest are 5w6 So/Sx and 5w6 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6w5 is 6w5 Sp/So, the rarest is 6w5 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 6w7 is 6w7 So/Sx, the rarest is 6w7 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 7w6 is 7w6 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w6 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 7w8 is 7w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 7w8 Sp/So.

    The most current variety of 8w7 is 8w7 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w7 Sx/Sp.

    The most current variety of 8w9 is 8w9 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w9 So/Sx.

    The most current variety of 9w8 is 9w8 So/Sx, the rarest is 9w8 Sx/So.

    The most current variety of 9w1 is 9w1 Sp/So, the rarest are 9w1So/Sx and 9w1 Sx/Sp.
    Is this based on this list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catharsis View Post
    Is this based on this list?
    http://pastebin.com/gsAhzZqW
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Yes.
    You seem to put a lot of faith in this list since I've noticed almost all of your typings comes from here. How do you know it's accurate?
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    The most current variety of 8w9 is 8w9 Sp/So, the rarest is 8w9 So/Sx.
    so that's why typing Jessye Norman (8w9 So/Sx) took me forever. I thought she was a 3w4 for the longest time, but after I thought about it, 8w9 So/Sx made a lot more sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catharsis View Post
    Social instinct is about pushing your energy toward the social sphere and a deep need of belonging. It isn't about conformity, thus it doesn't really interfere with type 4's fear of losing their identity.
    if you would like a classic example of conflicting enneatype and instinct variant:
    Judge Claude Frollo from the Hunchback of Notre Dame, 1w9 Sx/Sp. the conflict between his Sx infatuation with Esmerelda and his unhealthy 1 tendencies towards hatred of Gypsies and rigid morals and behavior drove him insane
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