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    Default The Enneagram - We Are Not Our Type

    I've been learning a little on Enneagram lately and recently read/heard that we are not really our Enneagram type. It is a "learned personality." Our type is just a template that we fit into. It's not the real us. It's a distortion or immature development of our true and basic nature.

    By understanding our type and how that manifests itself in our daily lives, we gain greater self awareness and move towards freeing ourselves from the tyranny of how we overcompensate. We gain an appreciation for our default way of responding and are able to observe how we react from an outside perspective, considering things in a broader context. We learn to have more compassion for ourselves, begin to acknowledge our gifts more fully and better appreciate our own inner wisdom.

    I wonder how some of this might relate to MBTI or functions.

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    I once took a test that told you your actual MBTI, your projected MBTI, and your preferred/desired MBTI. Or at least, something along those lines. It was pretty interesting, and probably reflected a lot of enneagram distortion of one's MBTI. I wish I could find it now and had the patience to sit through it. For people going to seek it, I'll have you know that it isn't very accurate. I just find the idea behind it fascinating and useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeZero View Post
    I once took a test that told you your actual MBTI, your projected MBTI, and your preferred/desired MBTI. Or at least, something along those lines. It was pretty interesting, and probably reflected a lot of enneagram distortion of one's MBTI. I wish I could find it now and had the patience to sit through it. For people going to seek it, I'll have you know that it isn't very accurate. I just find the idea behind it fascinating and useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I've been learning a little on Enneagram lately and recently read/heard that we are not really our Enneagram type. It is a "learned personality." Our type is just a template that we fit into. It's not the real us. It's a distortion or immature development of our true and basic nature.

    By understanding our type and how that manifests itself in our daily lives, we gain greater self awareness and move towards freeing ourselves from the tyranny of how we overcompensate. We gain an appreciation for our default way of responding and are able to observe how we react from an outside perspective, considering things in a broader context. We learn to have more compassion for ourselves, begin to acknowledge our gifts more fully and better appreciate our own inner wisdom.

    I wonder how some of this might relate to MBTI or functions.

    Any reactions on this?
    Yes.

    i don't think it is related with MBTI, though. The thing is that from early childhood we realise that the world is not a paradise, our enneatype is a basic proposition through we solved informations and a our focus of attention associated when we felt insecured in our early childhood. Our essence is what we refind when we are able to keep our aquired personality at distance.
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    What we were isn't what we are now but what we are now isn't what we are either that's what we will be???

    Sounds like trying to state that what you end up being is your "true" self and that everything else is some kind of stage? Sounds nice, bit romantic though.

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    What is the "real" us anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    What is the "real" us anyway?
    Good question. Literally speaking, we are the real us, regardless. It leads one to believe that, by making a baseless conjecture like there is a "real us", you could make some dough publishing books on how to achieve it.


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    There are some cases where the psychology we inhabit aren't reflective of where we'd be happiest/most effective/balanced. If the state of being happy/effective/balanced is referred to as what we're like as our "true" selves then yes the statement has validity.

    Another case of someone not keeping it simple?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    What we were isn't what we are now but what we are now isn't what we are either that's what we will be???

    Sounds like trying to state that what you end up being is your "true" self and that everything else is some kind of stage? Sounds nice, bit romantic though.
    You seem to have a few problems of understanding.

    Nobody has talked about "true self" here.
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    I got it from the OP
    "It's a distortion or immature development of our true and basic nature. "

    The definition of "True self" that I use, I should note, is not one I've gotten from any book or literature.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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