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    I discussed the Enneagram loci number (27) with Xander.
    It is many years ago.

    I recall we agreed the loci number 27 is bound to leave loci behind.
    One of us proposed the actual number of the loci is 36, and one of us proposed it may be 45.
    But of course, if we have 36, 45 is an underhand. And vice versa.
    36/4 = 9/1
    9/2 = 4,5
    10 = (T)1

    In any viewpoint of the MBTI a dimension is lost. Parallelly we lose the numbers of the lost dimension.
    They appear only when we shift viewpoint.
    Enneagram is different. We silent the numbers, we do not lose them.
    How to find the silent numbers?

    Time is linear.
    Space is not.
    The unlinear is not the measure of the linear.
    The linear is the measure of the unlinear.

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    This is not at all what I thought this thread would be about,lol
    You are not powerless, you just need to accept your power for what it is, a part of the whole, no one man can save the world, but you can be a light to those who envelope themselves in darkness, The candle that sparks the inferno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curator View Post
    This is not at all what I thought this thread would be about,lol
    I agree lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    In any viewpoint of the MBTI a dimension is lost.
    I think you've lost one too many, mate.
    Hello

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    LSD (when not wonderfull) is a horrible drug
    I redact everything I have written or will write on this forum prior to, subsequent with and or after the fact of its writing. For entertainment purposes only and not to be taken seriously nor literally.

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    time is not truly linear though is it...
    perhaps that is where we need to look for the types...

    relatedly, wildcat, i would be interested to hear your opinion on the progression of number-types through the enneagram. thus far the only explanation i have seen of the progression is through a "lifelife":

    1 father / rule-creator, male lifegiving principle
    2 mother / nurturer, female lifegiving principle
    3 first child / succeeder, child principle, carries on the lifeforce

    first gate between archetypes and peer relation - entrance of child into adolescence

    4 second child / differentiating between self and first child/others, understanding of self
    5 entrance into adolescence / observer of peer group, knowledge source of the group
    6 adolescence / guardian of peer bonds, protector of the greater good from harm

    second gate between peer relation and independence - entrance of adolescent into adulthood

    7 late adolescence / explorer, enjoying, figuring out what one wants
    8 adulthood / completely independent utilization of free will
    9 the before-birth and after-death/ uniter of the lifecycle, "buddha" state

    third gate between independence and archetypes - entrance of differentiated adult into undifferentiated rebirth

    1,2,3...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    time is not truly linear though is it...
    perhaps that is where we need to look for the types...

    relatedly, wildcat, i would be interested to hear your opinion on the progression of number-types through the enneagram. thus far the only explanation i have seen of the progression is through a "lifelife":

    1 father / rule-creator, male lifegiving principle
    2 mother / nurturer, female lifegiving principle
    3 first child / succeeder, child principle, carries on the lifeforce

    first gate between archetypes and peer relation - entrance of child into adolescence

    4 second child / differentiating between self and first child/others, understanding of self
    5 entrance into adolescence / observer of peer group, knowledge source of the group
    6 adolescence / guardian of peer bonds, protector of the greater good from harm

    second gate between peer relation and independence - entrance of adolescent into adulthood

    7 late adolescence / explorer, enjoying, figuring out what one wants
    8 adulthood / completely independent utilization of free will
    9 the before-birth and after-death/ uniter of the lifecycle, "buddha" state

    third gate between independence and archetypes - entrance of differentiated adult into undifferentiated rebirth

    1,2,3...
    Admirable, skylights.

    I like what you wrote.
    An oriental idea, and interesting.
    I see vaguely, but I see the contour of what you mean.
    It looks good and promising. I shall surely think of what you say.

    I must confess to my abysmal ignorance of Enneagram, in general. I have a very vague idea.
    But by what you wrote, you have helped me to understand.

    Time .. is not completely linear in the sense that nothing is. There is a connection. We are going to look into this connection here.

    Good work, skylights. Lots of thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    LSD (when not wonderfull) is a horrible drug
    A very nice picture, spamtar.
    I had a neighbour, a poet, who used LSD. I read his poetry in a bookshop.
    It was good. His collection of poems was titled The Being.
    I did not know him well, we greeted each other on the staircase and in the artists' coffee shop. Sometimes we borrowed money from each other. He asked a friend to ask me if I'd accept one of his Cannabis plants to grow on my window sill.
    I was glad to be of assistance.
    Later I read in the paper he had some trouble with the police.
    I very much symphatized with the poet.
    I had some trouble with the police myself.
    A nasty breed of people, always messing up with respectable citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Admirable, skylights.

    I like what you wrote.
    An oriental idea, and interesting.
    I see vaguely, but I see the contour of what you mean.
    It looks good and promising. I shall surely think of what you say.

    I must confess to my abysmal ignorance of Enneagram, in general. I have a very vague idea.
    But by what you wrote, you have helped me to understand.

    Time .. is not completely linear in the sense that nothing is. There is a connection. We are going to look into this connection here.

    Good work, skylights. Lots of thanks.
    well thank you sir, i hope it's interesting food for thought.

    i don't know much about the enneagram either... i'm definitely still in the very early stages of trying to understand the system. so of course your post was quite intriguing to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    well thank you sir, i hope it's interesting food for thought.

    i don't know much about the enneagram either... i'm definitely still in the very early stages of trying to understand the system. so of course your post was quite intriguing to me
    Yes, thank you skylights. We are in the same boat, then.
    By the way, please tell me your Enneagram type, so we might try to work out what is your Enneagram shadow.
    Yes, we need to know the system. To know the system we at the outset need to know the shadow of each type.
    May be a bit tricky. I might need some coffee.

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