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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Yes, thank you skylights. We are in the same boat, then.
    By the way, please tell me your Enneagram type, so we might try to work out what is your Enneagram shadow.
    Yes, we need to know the system. To know the system we at the outset need to know the shadow of each type.
    May be a bit tricky. I might need some coffee.


    i'm not sure... i see myself in both 6w7 and 3w4. some days i think i am more the one, other days, more the other.

    do you know your type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post


    i'm not sure... i see myself in both 6w7 and 3w4. some days i think i am more the one, other days, more the other.

    do you know your type?
    Interesting. Your both alternatives have a rising curve. If you would have seen yourself in both 7w6 and
    4w3, your alternatives would have a declining curve.
    We shall try to find the shadows of both your types.
    Let us see.
    Your types have rising curves. It means your shadow types are bound to have declining curves. Now we have already ruled out all the E types with risings curves. Your shadow types can only be found among these types:

    6w5
    7w6
    8w7- I suspect this may be one of your shadows: I see it is six hours removed of 3w4 in the clockwork.
    9w8
    1w9- this looks like a rising curve. It isn't. One is at the top of 9, not below. (1= (T)10).
    5w4
    4w3
    3w2
    2w1- this one is six hours removed of 6w7. Might be your shadow.

    My type is 5w4. A declining curve. It is six hours removed of 9w1.
    9w1 erroneously looks like a declining curve. (The system can no way see 1 and 9 as neighbours, unless it reads one as 10- maintaining 1 at the top position.)

    I shall check for any errors.
    Thanks for the contribution!

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    i did suspect you were 5w4 i have a brother who is 5w4 INTP as well.

    i drew a picture of how i am thinking.



    but to make 36 or 45... where in space do the additional points lie? above and below? the other thing... some people describe themselves as "omni"... no wing preference... where does the shadow of the 9 omni lie?

    unless we are supposed to work in 3s, not 2s, and there are really 2 shadows to each type...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    i did suspect you were 5w4 i have a brother who is 5w4 INTP as well.

    i drew a picture of how i am thinking.



    but to make 36 or 45... where in space do the additional points lie? above and below? the other thing... some people describe themselves as "omni"... no wing preference... where does the shadow of the 9 omni lie?
    Thank you, skylights. A perfect match.
    Excellent.

    I begin with the end.
    The shadow of 9 omni is a silent number.
    The exact position of the shadow of 9 lies in the middle position between 4w5
    and 5w4.
    The omni does not shadow in a 27 unit.
    We add number 9. Then we can find the position of the shadow of the omni. Only we can not name it. The position is not found in the category book of the Enneagram!
    27 + 9 = 36 = 9 X 4
    It is not that the Enneagram should not follow the clockwork. It does. The silent numbers do exist in its system.
    It is therefore we call them silent numbers.

    36 = 9 X 4 = 12 X 3
    A match in the 9 set and in the 12 set of the clockwork.
    36 - 9 = 27
    Hence we have 9 silent numbers.
    The shadow of each one is an omni.

    Your questions are the essential questions exactly.
    I am only a novice, like you. Your questions lead my way.
    We have only started. I am sure we shall find answers to your questions. Bear with me.
    Good work, skylights!

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    well, i appear to have only caught up to your reasoning!

    i am pleased nonetheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    well, i appear to have only caught up to your reasoning!

    i am pleased nonetheless
    It is all right, skylights.
    You are 6w7 and 3w4.
    You shadow 2w1 and 8w7, respectively.
    Only according to the clockwork, so far.

    Let us check with the figureline alone.
    We shall leave out the clockwork for a minute.
    Always double-check.

    6x7 contra 2w1.
    I do not see a 9 here: It means we exclude (T)1.

    Note direction, order, and declension simultaneously.

    Let us say 6721 follows a linear composition 1234:
    Rising curve: 67
    Declining curve: 21
    inference
    composition change to 3142
    equals 2617
    9 = 26 - 17
    A match.

    Let us look at your alias.
    3w4 contra 8w7
    9 = 47 - 38
    Another match.

    We do not add the silent numbers.
    They are already there.
    We have only found them.

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    this is all confusingly interesting,lol... what about a 9 that doesnt have any readily dominant wing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curator View Post
    this is all confusingly interesting,lol... what about a 9 that doesnt have any readily dominant wing...
    You mean the shadow?
    9 X 3 = 27
    9 X 4 = 36
    The shadow of a wingless 9 is a silent number. Enneagram counts only 27; The 9 shadows of wingless numbers are therefore called silent.
    5w4 is less than 5; 4w5 is as much more than 4 as 5w4 is less than 5 .
    Therefore the exact position of the silent shadow of 9 = 4,5.

    Check

    9 - 9 = 0
    9/2 = 4,5
    4,5 - 0 = 4,5

    The position of the silent shadow of nine = 4,5
    Therefore it is found in the middle position between 4w5 and 5w4.

    9 - 8 = 1
    4,5 - 1 = 3,5
    Therefore the silent shadow of 8 is found between 3w4 and 4w3

    9 - 7 = 2
    4,5 - 2 = 2,5
    The silent shadow of 7 is found between 2w3 and 3w2

    etc

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    My type as said = 5w4
    The silent shadow of E 9 has the position of 4,5
    Therefore my shadow = 9w1

    check

    5w4 has a declining curve
    1 = (T)10
    9w1 has a rising curve:
    5491
    >1495
    as said 1 = (T)10

    9 = 104 - 95
    Last edited by wildcat; 03-26-2011 at 04:47 AM.

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    hmmm, interesting, thanks.
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