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    Default Type 1 or Idealistic Type 8

    8s that are idealistic and cause driven can seem extremely similar to type 1. both can be extremely choleric, critical, domineering, passionate and driven to succeed at all costs. a few examples of people who seem close to both types are. these types can especially resemble each other when healthy. healthy 8s become more self disciplined and justice/peace serving like 1s while healthy 1s become more passionate, uninhibited and eccentric like 8s.

    Martin Luther King
    Alex Jones (investigative journalist)
    John Brown (abolitionist)
    Susan B Anthony
    Richard Wagner (opera composer)
    Elizabeth, Queen of England
    Franco Corelli (opera singer, tenor)
    George Washington
    David, King Israel

    Jules Winfield (Pulp Fiction)
    Light Yagami (Death Note)
    Pharaoh (Yugioh)
    Mithos Yggdrasil (Tales of Symphonia)
    Gandalf The Grey (Lord of the Rings)
    Hajime Saito (Rurouni Kenshin)
    Shogo Amakusa (Rurouni Kenshin)
    Patrick Bateman (American Psycho) he could also be a 3

    what type to you think these historical figures and characters are? can you think of any other characters or historical figures that give off vibes of both enneatypes?
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    Both want power. Type 8 sees power as an end itself. Type 1 sees power as a mean to an end(perfection?). At least, that's what I think.

    If that isn't the case, then an 'Idealistic 8' would make Type 1 unnecessary.

    EDIT: I don't know too much about the people you listed, but I think knowing what motivates them can greatly help distinguish between the two types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimawepun View Post
    Both want power. Type 8 sees power as an end itself. Type 1 sees power as a mean to an end(perfection?). At least, that's what I think.

    If that isn't the case, then an 'Idealistic 8' would make Type 1 unnecessary.

    EDIT: I don't know too much about the people you listed, but I think knowing what motivates them can greatly help distinguish between the two types.
    I think pegging "power" as the Eight's motivation seems a bit negative, not all of them are megalomaniacs. What I do think they seek is freedom from control. Various Sixes demonstrate similar tendencies, which leads them to mistype frequently.

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    so what would you guys say are the key underlying differences between a cause driven type 8 and a type 1?

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    A single type alone overlaps many other types, like how Type 1 (Perfectionism) can easily overlap all motivations from other types. Maybe that's the reason why we have wings, instincts and tri-type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimawepun View Post
    A single type alone overlaps many other types, like how Type 1 (Perfectionism) can easily overlap all motivations from other types. Maybe that's the reason why we have wings, instincts and tri-type?
    true, but 1 and 8 are in the same triad, which makes being shared in a tritype an impossibility.

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    my guesses are as follows:
    Martin Luther King: 8w9
    Alex Jones: 8w9
    John Brown: 8w7
    Susan B Anthony: 1w9
    Richard Wagner: 8w7
    Elizabeth, Queen of England: 8w9
    Franco Corelli: 8w9
    George Washington: 8w7
    David, King Israel: 8w7

    Jules Winfield: 8w9
    Light Yagami: 8w9
    Pharaoh/Yami Yugi: 8w9
    Mithos Yggdrasil: 8w9
    Gandalf The Grey: 8w9
    Hajime Saito: 1w9
    Shogo Amakusa: 8w9
    Patrick Bateman: 1w9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    so what would you guys say are the key underlying differences between a cause driven type 8 and a type 1?
    I found this description:

    Both Ones and Eights are in the Instinctive Triad, both have strong wills, both are action-oriented, and both have strong notions about how to do things. However, Ones try to convince others to do the right thing (as they see it) from the standpoint of a moral imperative–because it is the right thing to do. They try to logically convince the other of the soundness of their views, but become irritated and less logical when others resists their reasoning. Eights, on the other hand, rely on their own self-confidence, and attempt to sway others by their gutsy convictions and sheer personal charisma. ("I don't know if it's the right way, but it's my way.") Ones try to convert those who resist them: Eights try to power through them.
    The greatest misunderstanding between these two types involves their concern with justice, although the nature of their sense of justice can be quite different. Ones hold justice as an extremely important value–many judges, attorneys, advocates, and criminal prosecutors actually are Ones. Ones think a great deal about issues of providing suitable standards for human beings and about the specifics of how to administer a fair and equitable system. Ones at all Levels of Development refer to justice and think that they seek justice (no matter how skewed their interpretation of it may become). In any case, justice is a matter of principles–part of their idealism. They strive after justice and want to rectify injustices wherever they find them because, among other reasons, to do otherwise would be to fail to live up to their high moral standards and make them feel guilty.
    In Eights, justice is more of a visceral response, a reaction to witnessing injustices occurring. Eights, generally speaking, do not walk around thinking about these matters, but if they saw a helpless person being harmed or bullied by others, without thinking about it, Eights would rush in to "level the playing field." For Eights, justice has little to do with abstract principles. Eights see themselves as protectors of others, and when they are healthy, they actually are. Eights are more likely to seek justice for "their people"–their family, friends, co-workers, ethnic group, and so forth. It is usually expressed in a concern that those in their care (or under their power and authority) be treated fairly. The cowboy marshal protecting the town against criminals and the union chief negotiating a just wage for the rank and file are examples of this more restricted concern for justice. With Eights, the sense of justice usually involves addressing an imbalance of power. This is quite different from the One who seeks to make sure that people are appropriately rewarded for good actions and punished for bad ones.
    Of course, in their unhealthy manifestations, both types can be extremely unjust. Ones will still believe that they are being fair–the punishments they are meting out are for the good of the person being punished, or at the very least, for the good of society. Ones feel they need to rationalize their punitive activities. Eights do not. For unhealthy Eights, administering justice is simply meting out vengeance. ("You hurt me or my people, and I'll destroy you." "He ripped me off. Now he has to pay.") Needless to say, others may question the "justice" in either of these types' unhealthy behavior.
    The confusion between Eights and Ones probably also stems from the fact that some Ones may misidentify themselves as Eights since they would like to have the authority and influence of Eights. They may also recognize that they have aggressive impulses and misidentify themselves as an "aggressive type," although they are really compliant to their ideals; the Eight is the true aggressive type par excellence. On the other hand, Eights almost never misidentify themselves as Ones, viewing Ones as lily-livered and bloodless–moral only because they are too weak to be strong. Although Eights themselves are unlikely to think they are Ones, other people sometimes misidentify Eights as Ones because they see them as reformers. But clearly, many natural leaders, including Eights, lead reforms when they are needed. Contrasting Ones such as Pope John Paul II, Ralph Nader, and Hilary Clinton with Eights such as Lee Iococca, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Barbara Walters gives a vivid sense of their differences.
    Does that sound right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I found this description:
    Does that sound right?
    I guess I can agree with that.

    @Elfboy

    I'm not sure how Gandalf is an 8 to be honest, not that I'm into LOTR. I also see Light as a 1.



    For the record, I tested as a 1, but my 8 was a very close second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    my guesses are as follows:
    Martin Luther King: 8w9
    Alex Jones: 8w9
    John Brown: 8w7
    Susan B Anthony: 1w9
    Richard Wagner: 8w7
    Elizabeth, Queen of England: 8w9
    Franco Corelli: 8w9
    George Washington: 8w7
    David, King Israel: 8w7

    Jules Winfield: 8w9
    Light Yagami: 8w9
    Pharaoh/Yami Yugi: 8w9
    Mithos Yggdrasil: 8w9
    Gandalf The Grey: 8w9
    Hajime Saito: 1w9
    Shogo Amakusa: 8w9
    Patrick Bateman: 1w9
    What are you smoking!? Jules Winnifield is a glaringly, painfully obvious 7w8.
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