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    Default Dammit Enneagram is so confusing! XP

    I've been pretty sure I was a 4, but now I'm starting to think type 7.

    4ish traits
    -fear of being ordinary
    -deep convictions
    -disatisfied with lots of things
    -intellectually deep
    -introverted (well, I'm certain much more introverted than most ENFPs I know)
    -enjoy things that are dramatic
    -not knowing my personality type is frustrating
    -extremely self absorbed
    -if something is wrong with me emotionally, I stop everything to fix this problem before going back to whatever else I was doing
    -as a kid I was extremely weak and lacked self confidence. I am strong now, but it was totally not there to start with
    -acute self awareness.

    non 4ish traits
    -don't struggle with envy
    -not melancholy
    -no connection with type 2
    -don't struggle with strong emotions
    -extremely low neuroticism (the only thing that really freaks me out is physical pain and this is probably a self preservation thing more than anything)

    7-ish traits
    -perpetually wanting to be a kid
    -hedonistic/pleasure seeking
    -into fashion and beauty
    -like to be noticed (I don't feel the urge to be excepted, impress people or gain people's affection, but I do like the "whoa! who's that!" factor)
    -1 sounds like my stress. I do turn kind of "sinners be judged!" under stress and become more formal and authoritative
    -Head center sounds more like me than feeling center
    -I have extremely sophisticated tastes and am very picky about things I'm into such as high grade tea or opera
    -I require a lot to function properly (if I am uncomfortable, sleep deprived, deprived of good food or go for a long time without tea, it affects my performance quite poorly)
    -7s are said to make an "entrance" whenever they walk into a room. that is SOO me!
    -not self conscious at all
    -7s are said to precieve themselves as extremely high value even when on the outside they have nothing. if this is true, that definitely sounds like me
    -I tend to get addicted to things (although I usually get more addicted mentally than physically. for instance, I find day dreaming extremely addicting)

    non 7-ish traits
    -introverted. I could be wrong, but I see an EP 7 being much more extraverted than me (perhaps I'm really an INFP 7)
    -not materialistic (I care little about quantity, but I am very picky about quality)
    -I don't feel I am quite as light hearted as a 7.
    -not shallow (perhaps this is a misconception about 7s, especially NF 7s)
    -I sometimes enjoy being serious (although I can't keep it up very long)

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    A lot of what you put down as 7-ish traits are actually 4-ish traits. Keep in mind that the melancholy of 4's is exaggerated to the extreme. 4's actually feel ALL emotions to the fullest, thus a happy 4 will be much more happy than even a 7, an angry 4 angrier than an 8, etc. If anything, you sound like an extraverted 4w3.
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    ^ And on the other side

    As a seven...

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    4ish traits
    -deep convictions
    -intellectually deep
    -introverted (well, I'm certain much more introverted than most ENFPs I know)
    -enjoy things that are dramatic
    -not knowing my personality type is frustrating
    -if something is wrong with me emotionally, I stop everything to fix this problem before going back to whatever else I was doing
    -acute self awareness.
    I can relate to those points on different levels, I expect many are just your average ENFP traits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    non 7-ish traits
    -introverted. I could be wrong, but I see an EP 7 being much more extraverted than me (perhaps I'm really an INFP 7)
    -not materialistic (I care little about quantity, but I am very picky about quality)
    -I don't feel I am quite as light hearted as a 7.
    -not shallow (perhaps this is a misconception about 7s, especially NF 7s)
    -I sometimes enjoy being serious (although I can't keep it up very long)
    I'm not overly sociable, I seek experience not material things, I'm not shallow and that would be a misconception (we're in the thinking centre here!) and I can be quite serious I just prefer not to be.

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    That's because it doesn't make any sense. There is a considerable amount of people who have more than 1 type. And yes it has the wings thing, but my scores on 3 and 7 and 6 are very close. And according to the ennegram theory I can only be one of them, so which one am I ?!

    I might as well say start believing in the zodiac too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy
    non 4ish traits
    -not melancholy
    -no connection with type 2

    7-ish traits
    -perpetually wanting to be a kid
    -hedonistic/pleasure seeking
    -1 sounds like my stress. I do turn kind of "sinners be judged!" under stress and become more formal and authoritative
    -Head center sounds more like me than feeling center
    i'm right there with you on these

    ENFPs = 7w4 / 4w7

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    the confusing thing is how much they have in common
    1) both need to be independent
    2) both are highly creative
    3) both have a taste for adventure and desire to go on some sort of quest
    4) the core needs of 4,5,7 and 8 are all extremely interconnected. 4s need emotional freedom, 5s need intellectual freedom, 7s need behavioral freedom and 8s need freedom from authority.
    5) 7's stress is 1, 4s growth is 1, so they can seem a lot alike

    in addition, 4w3s and 7w8s tend to have a lot in common
    1) both love to be glamorous
    2) both tend to have sophisticated tastes in whatever they enjoy
    3) both are frequently drawn to being singers. the archtypical diva is a combination of 7w8 and 4w3 traits
    4) both have a tendency to be dramatic
    5) both have a tendency to be fiery and charismatic
    6) both have an "I'm nice until you violate my values" sort of vibe (this is often when you see their fiery charisma)

    are there any other peopel who are certain they are 4s or 7s that can elaborate a little more on what it's like?

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    i think the main difference between the two is that 4's dwell on their negative emotions while 7's try to avoid them and distract themselves from thinking about it

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    I don't feel like I avoid negative situations or emotions, but I certainly avoid haters. I don't feel like I wallow in my negative emotions either, although I certainly have the 4-ish tendency of drop everything, fix emotional problems and come back. as far as positive/negative, I'm really pretty close to the middle

    my dream to do list sounds 7 as hell though
    1) make money 100% online and then live all of life outside of work on a huge vacation
    2) travel to several countries for 6 months at a time
    3) get a pimped out wardrobe
    4) have a life that is like a huge adventure
    5) rent 2 pirate ships and have a huge "Pirate War" with foam/soft weapons
    6) go to japan and become a master at kenjutsu
    7) go to Vegas
    8) become a black belt in muay boran
    9) get involved in Parkour

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    The fact that you don't struggle with strong emotions and have low neuroticism suggests 7 rather than 4.

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    But wouldn't a high neuroticism provoke strong emotions?

    And why aren't sevens neurotic? I am.

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