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    Hey,

    I have been around here now for a year or so and feel quite safe with my MBTI type. What didn't really catch my interest that much yet was the enneagram stuff. Since I notice people here seem to value enneagram type often as much as MBTI, I think I might give it a try, since I obviously would be interested to learn more about myself still.

    Sadly with my enneagram type I am not so quick to find what fits to me. I have done a few tests which are linked everywhere here on the forums, but I seem to get always a different type as result. So I guessed I will just ask you again!

    Although I am already a year here, I guess I haven't really make noticeable footprints here, so I am not expecting that people will have much thoughts what type I could be (or much interest in the question, heh). If you want to help me still, and need more information of me, you might ask me for information. I don't know spontaneously what to include.

    Btw. test results I got have been the following types: 4w5, 5w4 and 9w8 (I think). Today I took two tests, both from the site 9types.com; the normal test I got 9w8 (seven points on type 9, five points on 4, 5, and I think 6 or maybe it was 3, either of them it was at least). On the "new test" I got 4w5 with nine points on type 4, -3 on type 3, -2 on type 5, and five points on type 9. The other types didn't get significant points so I guess I would rule them out, especially since I heard types 4, 5 and 9 are usually the case for INFPs anyway.

    So thanks if you like to help me, and if not, well, I guess then I have to think about it later more alone (much stress this week) or just leave it alone.

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    Hi Eckhart!

    Before we even get into enneagram... can I ask. This stress you briefly mentioned. How are you dealing with it, what are it's effects on you, and if you feel comfortable saying so, what is it about the thing making you stressed, that makes you stressed in the first place?

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    Hey, thanks for your interest Before I answer on all questions I briefly summarize what causes the stress, so you know what kind of stress I am having.

    I am having an exam tomorrow in mathematics, an exam which I failed in the first try (because it was simply so difficult that by normal measure 95% would have failed, so they lowered the needed scores a bit, but wasn't enough for me to pass still); usually there is only two dates for writing the exam per semester, but because the first one was judged too difficult by university, they offer a third date which I am now trying to pass. Now the whole stuff is rather difficult enough already, and it is much stuff to learn, but it is not my only university matter worrying me right now. We have to do a software project in this semester over something like 2 months, which started last week; we are 7 people in a group, I didn't know any of them before so we are new to each other. Problem is we have to make a weekly report with some tasks we have to do over the week which we then present to our adviosor, and they demand much from us (first it is things we never did before, second it is not trivial stuff either). Every week there is another person of us who has the responsibility, and this week it is my turn, so I have to coordinate the work and make sure everything gets done, and have to prepare the presentation for next week. So not only it is much new stuff for me, but the role of being basically the group leader for a week is totally new for me, because I am used to keep more in the background when it comes to group work.

    So basically I just have a ton of stuff do to all in a short time, in addition to the normal courses I am visiting in my study.

    How are you dealing with it

    Well, right now I am doing ok I guess. Since I know I would be overloaded with work, I took the day yesterday free so I didn't go to my courses and used the time to learn for my exam and doing some part of the tasks we discussed today. I worked since Tuesday very much, without wasting too much thoughts about it. Before I go to work again I make sure to recover again so I can fully concentrate again. I started to learn for exam only lately again, but since I learned already in the past months most stuff, I am rather used to the stuff so I feel half-confident with my exam, although I am not sure how difficult it will be (the reader who does the exam is sadly infamous at our university for being a nightmare for students, and well, the fact that they have to even repeat one date for exam again says all, doesn't it?).

    I don't totally cancel my free time for the work; it is important for me to recover from stress I had before, and I know I can only work efficiently if I don't neglect my needs. I take my time, but of course not much more than needed. This thread here is also a bit of my way to distract of all the work and think about something which interests me

    what are it's effects on you

    I am exhausted, mostly physical, sometimes a bit mental. I need to take my time to fully recover from all the stuff to do, alone. I am also a little nervous about the exam tomorrow, but not very much. I don't tend to get nervous much before exams generally.

    The knowledge I have to do much stuff still for the group work is a bit demoralizing.

    what is it about the thing making you stressed, that makes you stressed in the first place?

    Well, it is on the one hand the quantity of stuff I have to do. I am usually lazy, and I work much mostly only when I have to On the other hand the difficulty of the tasks. I am not sure I will be able to finish all the work I have to do, because for the exam I know it will be hard, and for the group work it is new stuff which no one really explained much to us. And then again, the whole situation with new people I have to work with which I don't know yet, and currently even lead a bit which is just an unknown experience for me. Thankfully most of them are rather nice (although some of them apparently not 100% reliable), our elected group leader who seems most competent however is rather critical and also criticised me already which made me feel a bit bad for a moment, but which I didn't think for long about because I had to concentrate on other matters. I try to not take it too personal.


    I hope you can make something out of it, and that I didn't write too chaotic / too much.

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    I hope your exams went ok Eck!

    I read through everything, but I don't want to make any judgments without more info.

    Can you get me a song, or a few songs that you really feel attached to, and tell me why?

    Why do you prefer to be more in the background?

    If you were to describe yourself in 10 words, what would they be and tell me why, if you wish to.

    How do you see yourself in regards to other people?

    How do you approach conflicts and arguments? why?

    What is your imagine and fantasy life filled with?

    How do you generally interact with people? (feel free to interpret how you wish).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopelandic View Post
    I hope your exams went ok Eck!
    I think it did, but I am not completely sure yet Will see in a month or so.

    Can you get me a song, or a few songs that you really feel attached to, and tell me why?

    Erf. I don't really know a song spontaneoulsy which I would really say it represents me. It depends on my current mood mostly. I hope you don't mind if I skip the question :/

    Why do you prefer to be more in the background?

    That is complicated (more than the question itself looks like on the first look). I just feel awkward when suddenly a crowd of people in the same time pays great attention to me, or several people want to talk to me in the same time. It is a bit paradox because I actually don't want to just blend into the masses either. I feel the need to be recognized, accepted and respected for how I am, though often not that much for my achievements but rather for my personality. Maybe I would prefer to be shown the attention more in 1on1-communication. I can come out in 1on1-communication more.

    I have been very shy in the past in general, and just felt that I was not appreciated for the way I am in many ways. I think that contributed to me feeling especially awkward about things. I got slowly better over the years about the things, though. Since I am at university, and rarely present stuff, I feel not very awkward anymore actually. Maybe because it is that I don't know the people, and I know they don't judge me for my personality much anyway (neither positive nor neative), it doesn't matter that much. Actually I think I did a very good presentation today again.

    If you were to describe yourself in 10 words, what would they be and tell me why, if you wish to.

    Hm, again such question style which I don't prefer so much, because I find it hard to describe myself in only 10 words But I try:

    idealistic, helpful, solitary, calm, easy-going, unpractical, accepting, reflective/thoughtful, intelligent, lazy

    I think most words explain from itself, but some addtions I want to make. Actually I usually would never say offensive of myself that I am somehow intelligent or so, but I know people think of me like that in real life, and I know I understand some things very easily which others have issues with for example. I know there is people who are better in things than me, but I know I am not only average everywhere either.

    Also I wrote I am solitary, which is somehow true. I always had some kind of distance to people since long... and somehow it may be some facet of my personality. On the other hand I feel also driven to people, and would even call myself a people-person, although I am not having an easy time getting close to people.

    And I am rather accepting I think, but I can be also very critical sometimes.

    How do you see yourself in regards to other people?

    Well... somehow I see myself as being different to other people in more ways than would be reasonable. I mean, I try to recognize every person as an individual, and every person has something unique about them I think, but people also share some traits, and sometimes I feel like the number of differences for me to other people is just bigger than for most other people. I mean, it goes not only by one direction, it seems to be like other people think the same of me too, and they say it in some way sometimes. Even since I was a small child people noticed me as being different in some ways, and in some ways people also treated me differently I felt often. Some people seemed to like me for being different, and other people on the other hand seemed to have a problem with me for no apparent reason being given from my side.

    Looking at the question from another perspective, I think I have some abilities which I have better developed than many people, but also some abilities which I have more problems to use than most other people. I answered that a bit in the 10-word-question also. I don't think I am somehow better or worse than most people, but simply different. Actually some of that could be related to the stereotypes of Intuitive and Sensor dichotomoy in MBTI possibly, which made me learn that there is actually some more people who I can relate in some ways to than I thought before.

    Some more differences: I feel like I am more idealistic and more oriented to harmony than most people, and I truely dislike the elbow-mentality of many people.

    How do you approach conflicts and arguments? why?

    Depends on the other party mostly. I usually try to understand where the other person is coming from and try to understand the arguments so I can explain why I see things different. I try to find a common basis on which we can agree on, and explain why I think different in some ways. To me it is crucial though how the argument is running, the form of communication I mean. If people just make negative judgements, use aggressive talk or whatever, I will usually ignore them or react angry from my own side. I cannot deal easily with direct criticism, which I can take very personal. If I feel though that the other person is trying to be constructive and doesn't judge me negatively, I have no problems to accept and discuss it usually. Or so I believe at least

    What is your imagine and fantasy life filled with?

    Oh, that is so hard to answer again! It is mostly filled with good things, nice things, beautiful things. I am probably a hopeless and probably somewhat naive romantic when it comes to love for example. I dream of utopic things, mostly manifestations of my ideals. Literally dreaming in sleep I am not very often, but if I do it is mostly positive things too. But yes... it is not so easy to express that inner life into words more concrete...

    How do you generally interact with people? (feel free to interpret how you wish).

    Hm... well, I am usually trying to be friendly (but not by using empty phrases very much, but just try to be warm to them). I am less shy nowadays, but not very offensive either, rather cautious and sometimes a little awkward. Rather modest also. I can sometimes be actually pretty silly with people I am more close to, but rather not so much to people I don't know very well and I don't trust too much yet. With that comes sometimes some kind of "played" arrogance / self-confidence maybe If it is with people I am comfortable with, then I try to have a good time and entertain people a little bit even, although of course well-dosed

    Usually though I am more listening and passive in interaction, especially with those I am less close to. I prefer to listen to what other people have to say rather than talking myself about things, often because I just don't know what to say at the moment, or because I don't know if I don't make me look like a fool in that moment if I say what I think. I have to force myself then sometimes to actually participate actively a bit into conversation (because otherwise it ends up usually in people asking me out constantly to get me to talk, which again makes me awkward), and ask other people things in exchange so we don't only end up talking about me for example.


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    I hope I answered everything in a correct way, and again thanks for your answer

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    I am not sure, but from your answers I'd say you are a 5 more than a 9, just a vibe thing, though didnt see enough info. Definately not a 4, that seems sure thing.

    So, ... how do you react when you have a fight with someone close ?

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    Hm... well, I don't know. I can mostly only name my parents, where I react often very emotionally and sometimes getting very loud actually after some while of quickly growing teasing and poking. I cannot recall having fights with other people who were close to me in the past actually; my best friend actually is very conflict avoiding. I don't really argue loud with other "friends" either, mostly I show that I am annoyed but get more resignating because I realize they don't care anyway so I am more annoyed for myself.

    I know, what I write right now sounds possibly very spongy, but I really cannot say much to that. I had not much people close to me, and well, I can really only name real arguments with my parents :/

    Actually you made me curious in what exactly made you sure I am not a 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckhart View Post
    Hm... well, I don't know. I can mostly only name my parents, where I react often very emotionally and sometimes getting very loud actually after some while of quickly growing teasing and poking. I cannot recall having fights with other people who were close to me in the past actually; my best friend actually is very conflict avoiding. I don't really argue loud with other "friends" either, mostly I show that I am annoyed but get more resignating because I realize they don't care anyway so I am more annoyed for myself.

    I know, what I write right now sounds possibly very spongy, but I really cannot say much to that. I had not much people close to me, and well, I can really only name real arguments with my parents :/

    well when something disturbs you - do you go to analyzing it to death, retreating in your room.... or you dont tolerate negative atmosphere and try to make peace with that person as soon as possible, and stop fighting ?
    you said you never had fight with anyone except with your parents (and i dont think parents are good example because i know how i fight with my mom, definately differently than with other people, living with someone for 20 yrs makes you do so )... so i know it's hard to tell... but you clearly have been disturbed if for example friend says something offensive, or ...


    do you have a fear that people will invade your private space and you wont be able to keep parts of yourself?

    do you think knowledge is biggest power?

    you could very well be a 9, but something in your posts sounded more thinking type.



    Actually you made me curious in what exactly made you sure I am not a 4
    you clearly are not a drama queen, you dont wallow in feelings just for wallowing in them, as i said; you seem more on thinking side.

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    basically you are undecided about type in each triad (9,4,5)
    so maybe picking triads would help too

    i really doubt you are in image/identity triad



    so is this more like you ? (edit:hah, i think he speaks more about 8s here )
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOuuk9ms0So"]9.[/YOUTUBE]

    or this ?
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOuuk9ms0So"]5[/YOUTUBE]


    or this (which i doubt)

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbEkWmFUiRY&feature=related"]image[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    well when something disturbs you - do you go to analyzing it to death, retreating in your room.... or you dont tolerate negative atmosphere and try to make peace with that person as soon as possible, and stop fighting ?
    you said you never had fight with anyone except with your parents (and i dont think parents are good example because i know how i fight with my mom, definately differently than with other people, living with someone for 20 yrs makes you do so )... so i know it's hard to tell... but you clearly have been disturbed if for example friend says something offensive, or ...
    It depends on how offensive it was to me... if it was more offensive to me, then I would say I would rather retreat to myself and think about it for some time, holding some kind of grudge maybe... but I don't know if I am actually analyzing it to death either. I mean, yes, it bothers me and I think some time about it, but then I start to think the person has no clue anyway and I try to distract myself from it. I will not always forget instantly about things, and I don't actively try to make peace with that person as soon as possible definitely. Often I don't talk about that topic anymore after that.

    do you have a fear that people will invade your private space and you wont be able to keep parts of yourself?
    Yes, I have a fear that people will invade my private space often. I am not sure exactly with what you mean with "keep parts of yourself" (I sometimes have still issues with English it seems...). Do you mean with it that I show too much of my privacy or that I will somehow "loose" a part of my own? If the first, then yes, if the second, then I think no, but I don't really know.

    do you think knowledge is biggest power?
    No. This actually is one thing which makes me feel somehow distant to the (few, admittedly) type descriptions of 5s. I don't identify with the described highly valued rationality that much. Those questions which I also saw in MBTI tests where they ask something in the direction of "Would you rather want to be recognized for being a person with [true feelings / empathy / warmness / etc.] or being very rational / reasonable", I always identify strongly with the first. Also, while I overanalyze some things probably, it is mostly things which bother me personally, from an emotional side also. I don't have to analyze and overthink everything else though, often I cannot be bothered with it.

    But maybe I just got a wrong impression of the descriptions also, and that is actually not untypical for 5s? Well, I guess for that reason I am asking here for help ^^

    you clearly are not a drama queen, you dont wallow in feelings just for wallowing in them, as i said; you seem more on thinking side.
    Well, I guess I should take that as a compliment (not being a drama queen) ^^ I don't know. I wallow in feelings for myself more than I show outside I think. I have been in very depressed mood for long... but, I guess, that is not related to type, is it? I mean, when you are depressed, you somehow necessarily are wallowing in it, in some way? Oh well, I don't know.


    I also watched your videos (the first and second actually have been the same?), but I must admit I didn't understand them completely. I don't know if it is English problems or I am having trouble to concentrate fully right now, because I don't feel too well today (I also slept very badly today).

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