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    Per Ardua Metamorphosis's Avatar
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    Default Enneagram and Hormones

    Anyone have any info on any relationship between the two? It seems like there is bound to be one, with the emphasis on things like sexuality and agression, which are obviously effected by hormone levels (and yes, I know the sexuality sub-type thing isn't just about sexuality).

    and yes, I put this in the wrong section
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    What exactly are you asking? (I'm a little confused.) Is "hormones" just another way to say "gender" -- i.e., gender differences in the Enneagram?

    As far as hormones go, both genders fluctuate in strength of hormones (from low amounts to high) so it's hard to test for that.

    Testosterone, though, has been shown to contribute to sex drive... which is why women are sometimes given very small amounts of it to kick in their desire level if necessary. It also contributes to aggression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As far as hormones go, both genders fluctuate in strength of hormones (from low amounts to high) so it's hard to test for that.

    Testosterone, though, has been shown to contribute to sex drive... which is why women are sometimes given very small amounts of it to kick in their desire level if necessary. It also contributes to aggression.
    Yes, it does fluctuate, but individuals still have differing amounts, to my knowledge. For instance, I wouldn't expect someone with naturally low testosterone to be an 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Yes, it does fluctuate, but individuals still have differing amounts, to my knowledge. For instance, I wouldn't expect someone with naturally low testosterone to be an 8.
    my friend (girl) is an 8, and she doesn't have much testosterone, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    my friend (girl) is an 8, and she doesn't have much testosterone, lol.
    She might have more testosterone than other girls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    She might have more testosterone than other girls?
    nah. don't buy it, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    She might have more testosterone than other girls?
    Yeah, I meant it relative to the gender.
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    yeah i figured you meant that. but i really don't think she has that "girl with a lot of testosterone" behavior.

    she's an 8, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    yeah i figured you meant that. but i really don't think she has that "girl with a lot of testosterone" behavior.

    she's an 8, though.
    I think that's rather impossible, given that the description of 8 generally describes a person which has the characteristics associated with "high testosterone".
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I think that's rather impossible, given that the description of 8 generally describes a person which has the characteristics associated with "high testosterone".
    but she's not physically aggressive, nor sexually aggressive (she doesn't seem to have much of a sex drive), nor does she have upper lip hair, etc.

    she's verbally confrontational, though.

    i dunno, i guess i don't really know specific symptoms of high testosterone levels in girls; i'm just guessing. my Ni says...

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