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    Senior Member Moiety's Avatar
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    Default How can an 8 become a 2

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    2 words: emotional manipulation

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    well, 8 minus 6 becomes 2..
    Maybe that's not the kind of help your asking for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    2 words: emotional manipulation
    I wonder if that even is far from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I wonder if that even is far from the truth.
    It isn't. My ESTJ type 8 mother is in the Two process, and she is manipulative in trying to be helpful because she wants love and people to care for her. I think she doesn't realize how obvious her manipulation can be at times. She can call like three times a day to chat, and ask if I need anything, but that isn't really her purpose... But this is the nicest she gets, and I honour her efforts in trying to figure out how empathy and true consideration works. It is awkward, but she is trying and making progress. It isn't natural to her after all.

    She used to be a very bossy, irascible and controlling person when I was a child.

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    I'm an enneagram 8 ENFP though. I understand empathy just fine. I just wonder how that would translate into being a 2.

    Surely they don't intend 8s to become manipulative in order to be healthier (2 being the 8's direction of integration).

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    The average Two type is naturally manipulative in trying to help. So the healthy Eight reaching integration will possibly sport some manipulative Two attitude on the way to self-actualization and slowly get rid of it.

    But I know ENFPs dislike hypocrisy and manipulation, so it will probably not show in you when you reach it. That's good. You will probably just become deeply helpful, thankful and selfless in your integration. Your strong, leadership-prone temper will be channelled into a kinder way, a way that is easier for other people to work with.

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    actually i agree that integrating parts of 2 as growth of 8 wouldnt make one emotionally manipulative, because, you dont get 2's fixation, you get its good parts.

    but title said how can 8 become a 2 and he can with emotional manipulation

    klessard, maybe your mother has disintegrated a bit into 2, which can happen too. as 8 you can disintegrate to both; 5 and 2. and int to 2. it depends on theory but some people show negative 5 and 2 characteristics while under stress

    anyway.. best advices how to integrate are found in books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    anyway.. best advices how to integrate are found in books
    What, are you working for a new age book company now? What about open source ethics, ENFP??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    What, are you working for a new age book company now? What about open source ethics, ENFP??
    no
    i dont know enough to talk about integrating to 2, except obvious advices.

    i'd say with a lot of introspection, overcoming fears etc.. i mean, it will come naturaly as you become more healthy and happy.

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