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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
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    i dont know enough to talk about integrating to 2, except obvious advices.

    i'd say with a lot of introspection, overcoming fears etc.. i mean, it will come naturaly as you become more healthy and happy.
    Wait, are you answering my question of how to become healthier by saying "don't worry, it will come naturally as you become healthier"? lolz


    I bet I've had more introspection in my life than any other ENFP out there (!), so that is covered (so much so, that I don't even know if I know how to use my Ne anymore). I have no fears. Apart from the fear of wasting all my potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Wait, are you answering my question of how to become healthier by saying "don't worry, it will come naturally as you become healthier"? lolz

    hahahhaha- yeah in a way i do.

    just saying you shouldnt aim to become a 2 you should aim to become healthy. and not by "let me see how do 2s act so i will try acting like that to become more healhty", but with dealing with your real issues, and 2 will show up passively.

    i'd say you should look how does extreme 8 behavior manifest in yourself, and WHEN do you act like that, when you are in your extreme it's out of running from some unpleasant feeling... so try dealing with feeling, instead of reacting in your usual way.

    also, you didnt say why are you not healthy as you want to be, what's your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    hahahhaha- yeah in a way i do.

    just saying you shouldnt aim to become a 2 you should aim to become healthy.
    Well, the thread title was not to be taken literally. I assume the people who bother to reply know why an 8 "wants to become" a 2. But yeah I could have phrased it better - how can an 8 integrate into a 2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    i'd say you should look how does extreme 8 behavior manifest in yourself, and WHEN do you act like that, when you are in your extreme it's out of running from some unpleasant feeling... so try dealing with feeling, instead of reacting in your usual way.
    The 8 descriptions make us sound like psychopaths. I've got to say that the 8s I know...I usually hate them. The list of names in some of the sites talking about 8s make me wanna puke (Denzel Washington?! Sean Penn?! Charlie Brown?! Those guys are dicks! I can be unpolished but I don't exert all that fucking anger onto people). Violence, which seems to be associated with 8s, is also something I've never had problems with - I never really hit anyone in my life after middle school. I hate violence. Even when people want to kick MY ass lool

    As far as unpleasant feelings hmm....

    You avoid being weak, vulnerable, controlled or manipulated. Secretly, you fear being caught off guard, harmed and/or humiliated. Being mistreated and at the mercy of injustice are among your deepest fears. You resist and defy anything that is imposed upon you. Fearing deprivation, you avoid ever having to go without what you deem essential to your survival. You do everything in your power to avoid being dependent on anyone or anything. You have a distaste for mediocrity and anything that feels contrived.
    This was posted on an enneagram site. This is all true apart from the fear of material deprivation. I don't know how one is supposed to deal with it though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    also, you didnt say why are you not healthy as you want to be, what's your problem.
    Well to be honest I don't really relate too much to most 8 descriptions. I hate bossing anyone around. Certainly don't think I have the right to lead anyone either.

    But it's not that anything is necessarily wrong with me. I just want to be the best person I can be. And they say that is done by acquiring 2 traits. I think I already possess some. When I am like an 8 I identify more with the supposedly integrated 8 descriptions. But I could be missing something. I am consistently confrontational, and not overtly nice or magnanimous.


    Anyways, I'm probably a chimera though. ENFPs aren't supposed to be 8s. And 8s aren't supposed to be ENFPs. I seem to neither have the qualities of an ENFP nor the ones of an 8, which is crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Well, the thread title was not to be taken literally. I assume the people who bother to reply know why an 8 "wants to become" a 2. But yeah I could have phrased it better - how can an 8 integrate into a 2?
    i took it as joke


    The 8 descriptions make us sound like psychopaths. I've got to say that the 8s I know...I usually hate them. The list of names in some of the sites talking about 8s make me wanna puke (Denzel Washington?! Sean Penn?! Charlie Brown?! Those guys are dicks! I can be unpolished but I don't exert all that fucking anger onto people). Violence, which seems to be associated with 8s, is also something I've never had problems with - I never really hit anyone in my life after middle school. I hate violence. Even when people want to kick MY ass lool
    ita bc they are maybe different mbti types.


    i know i read somewhere that you should ask yourself, as an 8, who am i if I dont have my anger?, what do i have?
    bc most people when ask themselves that question about their enneagram type...realize that they put soooooo much into their enneagram types fixation that not much is left.
    for type 3 it's "who am i if i dont have my image to protect?" it was scary realization to me, how much i rely on protecting my image and trying to not fail and do what other people want.
    i think thats the beginning of integration

    also you seem not to understand your type so well, you need to unerstand the fixation in depts, and then figure it out in yourself, parts that you have.
    if you want i can scan you parts of maitri's book about 8s. (after all i have w2 ) she can sound like from other planet but parts are really really good and can make you figure better 8s parts of yourself

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    Charlie Brown as 8 ??????????????????????

    No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLessard View Post
    Charlie Brown as 8 ??????????????????????

    No way.
    Lol, no. James Brown. Sorry, my brain always confuses the two for whatever reason.

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    i can totally see it...just use all of that natural protection instinct to help others through some big powerful 8 style crusade or organization.
    There can’t be any large-scale revolution until there’s a personal revolution, on an individual level. It’s got to happen inside first.
    -Jim Morrison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salt n' pepper View Post
    well, 8 minus 6 becomes 2..
    Maybe that's not the kind of help your asking for
    omfg she's right!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i can totally see it...just use all of that natural protection instinct to help others through some big powerful 8 style crusade or organization.
    My life is a crusade. No one wants my help though. Apparently I lack consideration and am too much of a moral perfectionist.

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    maybe you should change what you attempt to help people with and they'd be more receptive.
    There can’t be any large-scale revolution until there’s a personal revolution, on an individual level. It’s got to happen inside first.
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