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    Default Survey thing about Nines and Fours

    Hi, here's an attempt to clarify the Four/Nine boundry...Please pick which ones you think are typical in each list and add whatever experiences/comments you like. Cheers.

    Can Fours typically:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.
    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.
    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.
    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.
    9.5. Like being 'normal.'
    9.6. Be low maintainance.
    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.
    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.
    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.

    Can Nines typically:
    4.1. Be openly emotional by nature (albeit to friends and loved ones, this doesn't necessarily refer to sharing problems.)
    4.2. Enjoy a touch of darkness in imagination (literature etc, Burtonesque fantasy etc.)
    4.3. Feel negative about the self.
    4.4. Be inclined to express themselves well through fiction writing/poetry/art/music.
    4.5. Idolize others (particularly lovers) whilst not seeing much good in themselves.
    4.6. Come across as 'intense'
    4.7. Lapse in self-analysis easily.
    4.8. Happily relive/recollect cathartic moments as a means of relieving strong emotions.
    4.9. Become depressive about problems rather than trying to ignore them.

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    I identify with about half in each (I'm kind of conflicted on whether I'm a 4 or 9 myself, so maybe I'm not the best person to judge).


    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.

    Of course.

    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.

    Nothing extreme.

    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.

    I find that behavior loathesome and cowardly.

    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.

    I don't seek to people please, but I do take a step back to examine the situation a little more..I partly identify.

    9.5. Like being 'normal.'

    No.

    9.6. Be low maintainance.

    Sure

    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.

    Somewhat.

    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.

    Nope.. not unless I feel it. Which I try.. but that doesn't guarantee it.

    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.

    I do.

    Can Nines typically:
    4.1. Be openly emotional by nature (albeit to friends and loved ones, this doesn't necessarily refer to sharing problems.)

    Not always directly.

    4.2. Enjoy a touch of darkness in imagination (literature etc, Burtonesque fantasy etc.)

    Yes. If by Burton you mean hopeless romantics and misfits. Not sick morbid shit or anything.

    4.3. Feel negative about the self.

    In many cases, yes.

    4.4. Be inclined to express themselves well through fiction writing/poetry/art.

    Fiction? No. I like playing music though.

    4.5. Idolize others (particularly lovers) whilst not seeing much good in themselves.

    Unfortunately, a little bit.

    4.6. Come across as 'intense'

    Somewhat.

    4.7. Lapse in self-analysis easily.

    Yes.

    4.8. Happily relive/recollect cathartic moments as a means of relieving strong emotions.

    Rarely.

    4.9. Become depressive before disassociation.[/QUOTE]

    Not sure what the questions means, but I'll just say yes

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    Thanks KDude, I edited the last question, and added music to the arts question

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    I'm not sure what your intentions are, but personally, it's kind of helped me visualize and think, so thx. I'm kind of feeling more confident of being 9w8.

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    Hrm... I'm super confused.
    You write: 'Can fours typically..' and then go with numbers 9.1, 9.2 etc. And do the opposite for nines. From the type of questions I guess the numbers are right.

    I agree with most what KDude have written, but since it's a survey:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.
    Very much.
    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.
    Rather to remove discomfort, I'd say.
    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.
    Not necessarily
    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.
    Just avoid the friction, not necessarily please the people. Ignoring the topic would be typical strategy.
    9.5. Like being 'normal.'
    Interesting.. I guess it's true for nines I know. I haven't thought about it before. Congrats!
    9.6. Be low maintainance.
    Not necessarily. Depends on what You mean by that.
    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.
    I wouldn't say so.
    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.
    Hrm... I wouldn't say so. But hide anger, yes.
    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.
    Quite the opposite.


    4.1. Be openly emotional by nature (albeit to friends and loved ones, this doesn't necessarily refer to sharing problems.)
    Yup! Good point about problems - these just don't leave the head.
    4.2. Enjoy a touch of darkness in imagination (literature etc, Burtonesque fantasy etc.)
    Yes! I have two best friends who are 7s and they just run for cover when I start with my dark humour.
    And my favourite poets are Baudelaire and Rimbaud. So, well..
    4.3. Feel negative about the self.
    Not necessarily. Rather see both the negative and positive side at all times. 'I'm great!' doesn't make sens, cause we see and do not ignore our dark thoughts, feelings and insecurities.
    4.4. Be inclined to express themselves well through fiction writing/poetry/art/music.
    Well... I'm a novel writer and occasional song writer for local bands. So, YES! And... on top of that: in times of personal crisis I just run for a pen.
    To quote a famous four: 'Writing is a vocation of unhappiness'

    4.5. Idolize others (particularly lovers) whilst not seeing much good in themselves.
    Temporarily.
    4.6. Come across as 'intense'
    Oh yes...
    4.7. Lapse in self-analysis easily.
    Yes+Absolutely. (yesolutely?)
    4.8. Happily relive/recollect cathartic moments as a means of relieving strong emotions.
    hrm... rather to feel strong emotions again on some 'not-so-intense' times - the heart must beat, men!
    4.9. Become depressive about problems rather than trying to ignore them.
    I used to do that. Now I don't. It's all about self-analysis ad absurdum. We do the same with problems.


    PS Trust more my '4s' answers.
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    Thanks Happyman, sorry about the numbering. Just to clarify for anyone else, the 9.1-9.9 refers to stuff I found on the net about Nines, and from input from my type 9w1 partner. It's under Four to see if they might typically relate the 4.1-4.9 refers to the stuff I found on Fours, and is under Nine for the same reason.

    @KDude: Thanks for the feedback, happy it helped. Glad you're more confident in your E-Type, congratulations...The intention of the survey is to try and clear up some of the issues that people have when they're trying to decide between the two types. I hoped that if people could see where the definite Nines and Fours tended to overlap, they might feel better about not totally fitting into one category. If you have anything that made you confused when you were stuck between the two, and it isn't on the list, I'd be more than happy to add it for you

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    Can Fours typically:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.
    If things get too chaotic, yeah.

    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.
    If it's family, yes. I don't get servile, but I don't mind being accommodating.

    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.
    I dwell too much... so this is definitely off the list.

    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.
    Depends on the situation. If it's in public, I'll be this way. In private, I let loose.

    9.5. Like being 'normal.'
    I'm quirky, so I don't think normal fits, lol.

    9.6. Be low maintainance.
    I'm fussy and picky, but at times I can be easy going.

    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.
    I try to, although politicians don't give me a positive impression.

    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.
    Sometimes, if it's a public performance, for instance. Otherwise, I tend to look kind of serious, with flashes of smiles.

    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.
    I tend to analyze my insecurities and confront them, get to the root of them.

    4.1. Be openly emotional by nature (albeit to friends and loved ones, this doesn't necessarily refer to sharing problems.)
    Yeah, especially with close friends and loved ones.

    4.2. Enjoy a touch of darkness in imagination (literature etc, Burtonesque fantasy etc.)
    I like a bit of dark Romanticism, or melancholy. Not really Burtonesque per se, although I enjoy Burton's films, more like Phantom of the Opera, Wuthering Heights kind of thing.

    4.3. Feel negative about the self.
    My own worst self-critic, I'm afraid.

    4.4. Be inclined to express themselves well through fiction writing/poetry/art/music.
    Oh yeah... very very much so.

    4.5. Idolize others (particularly lovers) whilst not seeing much good in themselves.
    Or even idolizing what the person could be too.

    4.6. Come across as 'intense'
    Yep.

    4.7. Lapse in self-analysis easily.
    Check.

    4.8. Happily relive/recollect cathartic moments as a means of relieving strong emotions.
    Yep.

    4.9. Become depressive about problems rather than trying to ignore them.
    Ignoring it doesn't make the problem go away. I tend to stew and chew over problems.
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    Only answering the e4 part

    Can Fours typically:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.
    Definitely

    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.
    Yup

    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.
    Sometimes

    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.
    Most of the time since I've got a small set of "defend to the death" values

    9.5. Like being 'normal.'
    No way!

    9.6. Be low maintainance.
    Yup, but this is possibly more because of introversion

    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.
    Definitely

    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.
    As much as possible

    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.
    I'm trying damnit!... but I'm not sure if it's working... *feels insecure*
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseHeartDothKnow View Post
    Can Fours typically:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.

    Sometimes, yes, but 9s probably view me as being more dramatic.

    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.

    Definitely.


    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.

    yes - but it depends

    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.

    no, not so much

    9.5. Like being 'normal.'

    eh

    9.6. Be low maintainance.

    emotionally I'm fairly high maintenance, but I'm not "high maintenance" in the physical sense

    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.

    sometimes

    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.

    often

    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.

    I wish...
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    I am 9w8

    Can Fours typically:

    9.1. Hate unnecessary drama.

    Yeah

    9.2. Seek to be of service to others wherever possible, enjoy looking after those close to them, making them smile.

    I only do this when I feel like it. It is an on/off thing.

    9.3. Resort to happy fantasy until problems 'blow over' rather than dwelling.

    Not really.

    9.4. Usually seek to people please, not always jump to defend their thoughts/values/feelings when they feel it might cause friction.

    No, I usually try to find the best possible way to get my point across. If you cross a value/thought/feeling I will tell you if I need to. I like timing and tact.

    9.5. Like being 'normal.'

    I don't care much for the phrase normal.

    9.6. Be low maintainance.

    Very much so for me.

    9.7. See the positives in most things/people.

    Yes, this is true.

    9.8. Present a cheerful face to the world.

    Sure.

    9.9. Not dwell on their insecurities much.

    No, I don't.

    Can Nines typically:
    4.1. Be openly emotional by nature (albeit to friends and loved ones, this doesn't necessarily refer to sharing problems.)

    No, I wouldn't say I am open emotionally.

    4.2. Enjoy a touch of darkness in imagination (literature etc, Burtonesque fantasy etc.)

    Not strongly.

    4.3. Feel negative about the self.

    No.

    4.4. Be inclined to express themselves well through fiction writing/poetry/art/music.

    Yeah. I am no artist but I suppose I have more of this tendency than average.

    4.5. Idolize others (particularly lovers) whilst not seeing much good in themselves.

    No.

    4.6. Come across as 'intense'

    Mostly no. But sometimes very much so.

    4.7. Lapse in self-analysis easily.

    I don't know. I don't think so.

    4.8. Happily relive/recollect cathartic moments as a means of relieving strong emotions.

    No.

    4.9. Become depressive about problems rather than trying to ignore them.

    Sometimes. I snap out pretty quick.

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