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    Default Robert Smith of The Cure

    So, let's type him, if it hasn't been done before, i'm going for 5w4 or 4w5, he has this brooding dark romanticism in his lyrics. What do you guys think??



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    ISFP 4w3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    ISFP 4w3
    Interesting, why so?

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    4w3.. highly individualistic (type4), but more image conscious (3 wing)

    ISFP.. well because he is the consumate artist, He is weird, sensitive and passionate. He likes to make a statement and does so through his art and image.



    More subjectively, I am the type of person who seems to make friends with artsy types
    and so, I can often spot ISFPs from a mile away.

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    INFP, 4w5.

    He's more idealistic & romantic than concrete and in-the-moment, IMO. He's very well-read and works concepts from novels into his song lyrics (sooo many Cure songs reference literature). He's not a great physical performer - it's unusual for him to speak much at shows & do much besides play guitar & sing in a still position (I see 3s as having a better performing side). Yes, he cultivates an image (e4s usually do), but actually has an "off" sense of style (he doesn't pull it off al that well). He'll have his crazy hair & goth makeup but be wearing a sports jersey.... To me, much of this implies Ne over Se, and a 5 wing over 3 wing.
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    INFP, 4w5.

    He's more idealistic & romantic than concrete and in-the-moment, IMO. He's very well-read and works concepts from novels into his song lyrics (sooo many Cure songs reference literature). He's not a great physical performer - it's unusual for him to speak much at shows & do much besides play guitar & sing in a still position (I see 3s as having a better performing side). Yes, he cultivates an image (e4s usually do), but actually has an "off" sense of style (he doesn't pull it off al that well). He'll have his crazy hair & goth makeup but be wearing a sports jersey.... To me, much of this implies Ne over Se, and a 5 wing over 3 wing.
    You could argue that he pulls his image off perfectly..no?.. how can you say his image isn't supposed to be offbeat and a little imperfect? The whole idea of individuality is to do something that no one else is doing. In that sense his sense of fashion is groundbreaking. As is his music style and the contrast between the emoting lyrics and the almost deadpan deliverance of them.
    On the surface it all seems so acidental. But no one makes it without hard work and dedication and lots of it. To me there is nothing accidental about the cure. There is intregrity and enough subculture to suggest IXFP.
    Being a lover of lit and working it into songs is nothing new. Many artist find their inspiration from other art. All art tells a story.. this is not the exclusive realm of the N.
    I would be willing to bend on the 5w vs 3w.. But I am holding on for dear life that he is an ISFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    You could argue that he pulls his image off perfectly.. how can you say his image isn't supoosed to be offbeat and a little imperfect? The whole idea of individuality is to do something that no one else is doing. In that sense his sense of fashion is groundbreaking. As is his music style and the contrast between the emoting lyrics and the almost deadpan deliverance of them.
    On the surface it all seems so acidental. But no one makes it without hard work and dedication and lots of it. To me there is nothing accidental about the cure. There is intregrity and enough subculture to suggest IXFP.
    Being a lover of lit and working it into songs is nothing new. Many artist find their inspitation from other art. All art tells a story.. this is not the exclusive realm of the N.
    I would be willing to bend on the 5w vs 4w.. But I am holding on for dear life that he is an ISFP.
    None of that suggests S over N either. ISFPs are not the only artists either.
    I don't know what "accidental" has to do with it anyway; and I'd argue that when younger he seemed more contrived anyway. Whether planned or not, his style doesn't always work from an aesthetic standpoint, and not because it's offbeat. Check my Siouxsie avatar - obviously I appreciate strange style.

    I do think working concepts from novels into song lyrics slightly suggests N over S. If we're going by functions, I'd expect more experience-oriented lyrics than concepts derived from fiction. Not to mention, the idealistic aspect is ever-present in the Cure's lyrics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    INFP, 4w5.
    agreed.

    i feel confident that he is an INFP 4w5.
    quite a poster child for those types together, i think.


    which reminds me.... i know a guy who has worked in the music business for a while and he once told me that i strangely reminded him of robert smith, actually... he cited a withdrawn, sort of awkward demeanor and a quirky humor as his reasons...

    said robert was not at all outwardly friendly or outgoing but when engaged revealed that surprisingly, he was not only aware of his surroundings, but had a sense of humor, too! "who wouldve guessed that beneath all that brooding there was funny guy!", he said.

    all i could do was laugh. i'm still not entirely sure if he was making fun of him/me or trying to be gracious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phthalocyanine View Post
    agreed.

    i feel confident that he is an INFP 4w5.
    quite a poster child for those types together, i think.
    Yes, I've always seen him as a prototypical INFP enneagram 4 also.

    I just thought of how much he comes across like Johnny Depp in interviews too - compare the two and their demeanor/vibe is similar, IMO.
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    I don't think he was contrived when younger. Pornography and Disintegration are still the best albums imo.

    INFP 4 seems likely for Smith though.

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