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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I like these. The only thing I would add would be 3w2 for ESFJs. I think its a fairly common ennea for them.
    I think 3 is pretty common for ENFJs too.

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    The "common threads" of the types in Boje's correlation seems to match the Hippocratic temperaments, in addition to the little discussed E/I + T/F groups well:

    1 J (ambiverted, low Responsiveness)
    2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
    3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
    5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
    6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
    7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
    8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    The "common threads" of the types in Boje's correlation seems to match the Hippocratic temperaments, in addit5ion to the little discussed E/I + T/F groups well:

    1 J (ambiverted, low R)
    2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
    3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
    5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
    6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
    7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
    8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate)

    Temperament Part 3: APS and other systems
    what does "high R" and "low R" refer to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    what does "high R" and "low R" refer to?
    Correlation coefficient; basically, exactly how well each listed pair of MBTI traits and Enneagram types correlate.

    Yeah, leave it to Eric B to sensibly synthesize three different personality systems in one fell swoop
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    1: IxxJ+ENFJ
    2: Any F type, especially the ExFJ ones, none T type
    3: Everyone, except introverted feelers. Thinkers still though more prone to be 3 than feelers in my opinion
    4: NF+ISFP
    5: IxTx+INFJ and also some ENTPs, I've seen a few ENFPs too, but that still rare
    6: Any type seriously. 6 seems to be more related with a lack of stability and certitude in childhood or youth than with any specific type
    7: SPs+ENxPs
    8: ExTx+ExFPs, and also INTJ and IxTPs, but it's less common.
    9: IxxP+xNFJ. Especialy ISFP, ISTP, INTP and ENFJ for the 9w8 and ISFP, INFP, INTP and INFJ for the 9w1. In a minor way, we can see some ExFPs, ISFJs and ENTPs (especially the 9w8 for that last).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    what does "high R" and "low R" refer to?
    Oh, sorry; that's "responsiveness"; the other factor in the Hippocratic temperaments (think directing/informing from the Interaction Styles, and it loosely connects to T/F and J/P). I had just copied this off of my page.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Oh, sorry; that's "responsiveness"; the other factor in the Hippocratic temperaments (think directing/informing from the Interaction Styles, and it loosely connects to T/F and J/P). I had just copied this off of my page.
    so whats the 1 and 9 social image? (they both werent given one... )

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    By "social image" I mean the I/E + T/F groups. Like the E/I + J/P groups were called the "sociability temperaments", I figure ET, IT, EF and IF would best capture "social image". (introverted or extraverted, and thinker or feeler). 1 and 9 there correlate to a mix of types that do not have I/E and T/F as a common thread like that others.
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    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    I don't agree with any of this at all. especially Fi being 6. we're like the opposite of that. I would place the correlations more like this
    1: Te, Si, Fi
    2: Fe, Si, Fi
    3: Te, Si, Se
    4: Fi, Fe, Ne, Ni
    5: Ti, Ni, Te
    6: Si, Fe, Se
    7: Se, Ne
    8: Te, Se
    9: Fi, Ne, Se

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Notes- I would say pretty much anyone can be a 6, although it seems much more common within the SJs and NPs than SPs and NJs. Also I'd say anyone but I_T_ types can be a 3, with extroverts much more likely to be 3's. So for that reason I'm not going to list 3 or 6.

    INFP:

    Most common- 4, 9w1
    Less common- 5

    ISFP:

    Most common- 4w3, 9
    Less common- 7

    INTP:

    Most common- 5
    Less common- 1, 4, 9w1

    ISTP-

    Most common- 5w6, 9 (9w8 more common)
    Less common- 7, 1

    INFJ:

    Most common- 4, 9w1
    Less common- 5, 1

    ISFJ:

    Most common- 6, 1
    Less common- 2, 4

    INTJ:

    Most common- 5, 1
    Less common- 8, 4

    ISTJ:

    Most common- 5w6, 6, 1
    Less common- 8

    ENFP:

    Most common- 7, 4 (7 is obviously the most common, but 4's don't seem that uncommon)
    Less common- 8, 2, 9

    ESFP:

    Most common- 7, 3 (3 is notable here because I've noticed that a lot of ESFPs are 3)
    Less common- 8

    ESTP:

    Most common- 7, 8
    Less common- N/A other than 3

    ENTP:

    Most common- 7, 6, 3
    Less common- 5, 8

    ENFJ:

    Most common- 2, 1
    Less common- 4, 9, 7

    ESFJ:

    Most common- 2, 1, 6
    Less common- N/A


    ENTJ:

    Most common- 8
    Less common- 7, 1

    ESTJ:

    Most common- 8, 6
    Less common- 1

    There are of course some strange combinations outside of this list; but these are just my observations.
    I just stumbled across this (researching something on INTPc), good list.

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