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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    The enneagram already uses interactions between variables, I guess they're just harder to see than those of MBTI.
    Yes, because they're in motion. MBTI is static.

    For example, if I break down, Enneagram can explain the process of moving in the direction of disintegration and falling down the levels of health very accurately. On the other hand, all MBTI could say is, "Oh, he is trying to use Ne where he should have used Ni."

    MBTI is like looking through a viewfinder with 16 different images on the card; Enneagram is like looking through a moving kaliedoscope.
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    King, you didn't explain WTF this enneagram nonsense is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    King, you didn't explain WTF this enneagram nonsense is.
    Look deep inside yourself and the answer will come to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    The enneagram already uses interactions between variables, I guess they're just harder to see than those of MBTI.
    What are the variables interacting that explain the arrows?

    Also, the hornivian group and whatever that other one is are the variables we focused on to build to the 9 types, but you could use something else. As long as the mappings all make sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by speculative View Post
    Yes, because they're in motion. MBTI is static.

    For example, if I break down, Enneagram can explain the process of moving in the direction of disintegration and falling down the levels of health very accurately. On the other hand, all MBTI could say is, "Oh, he is trying to use Ne where he should have used Ni."

    MBTI is like looking through a viewfinder with 16 different images on the card; Enneagram is like looking through a moving kaliedoscope.
    I agree, But the motivations always remain the same, it's like being a car-sickness prone passenger in a car, if you look straight ahead everything moves slowly enough for you to percieve that you are not moving and you wont get sick, but if you look out the side windows, everything moves to quickly and you'll end up chucking up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    What are the variables interacting that explain the arrows?

    Also, the hornivian group and whatever that other one is are the variables we focused on to build to the 9 types, but you could use something else. As long as the mappings all make sense...
    Enneagram of Personality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Look under "Directional Scales"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    What are the variables interacting that explain the arrows?

    Also, the hornivian group and whatever that other one is are the variables we focused on to build to the 9 types, but you could use something else. As long as the mappings all make sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post

    grrr?
    MBTI is more "catchy", you have functions, and you have many rules...like "if you're leaading with Ne you CANT have inferior Te" and many more so all together, having rules, it's more fun, like some puzzle, with always the same answer. MBTI is more safe....

    Enneagram is messed up at surface, people rarely like to look deeper into it.

    AND;
    maybe biggest reason why MBTI is > Ennea to many is because people usually dont really like to grow as much as they like to self-analyze. MBTI is better for endless self analization without bigger changes. Enneagram is more insigthful about stuff you need to change, it's not THAT fun.. because changing is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloee View Post
    AND;
    maybe biggest reason why MBTI is > Ennea to many is because people usually dont really like to grow as much as they like to self-analyze. MBTI is better for endless self analization without bigger changes. Enneagram is more insigthful about stuff you need to change, it's not THAT fun.. because changing is hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    The Enneagram, by contrast, doesn't feel as inevitable in its organization and layout. Why these 9 particular virtues/vices? The head/heart/gut groupings have a nice symmetry, but why are the connecting lines placed as they are? Is there any particular reason (other than experiential) that 1 is placed where it is? Or that it is in that slot rather than 3?

    All that isn't to discount the Enneagram, but it does seem like there is a little more one has to take on faith and the implicit experience of others.
    That's what I was talking about. There are reasons why the types are placed and connected as they are on the symbol. It's one thing to disagree with those reasons, but it's a pity that a lot of people don't seem to know that they've been put forward.

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