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    Quote Originally Posted by psyche View Post
    Thanks for your response.

    To be honest, I still don't understand the Se, etc. and the link you posted I'd already visited. The information there presupposes a lot more knowledge of the MBTI than I have. I have yet to find a source that explains in simple language what is meant by having an introverted versus extraverted function, etc. -- or what Se, etc. even mean. If you know of a source, I'd love to be referred to it. But I appreciate your response.
    You should start here then: My MBTI Personality Type - MBTI Basics - Judging or Perceiving

    The functions are Si, Se, Ni, Ne, Ti, Te, Fi, Fe which are introverted or extroverted versions of the two middle letters of the MBTI types and there are 8 of them. Each of the 16 MBTI types corresponds to a pair of functions, one extroverted and one introverted. In a nutshell, the J or P of your type shows which function you extrovert.

    Since you list your type as xNFx, if you are xNFP then you would have Ne which is extroverted iNtuition paired with Fi which is introverted Feeling or if you are xNFJ then you would have Fe which is extroverted Feeling paired with Ni which is introverted iNtuition. That is the first step. It has nothing to do with whether you are introverted or extroverted, everyone has one introverted and one extroverted function that makes up their pair of functions which corresponds with those two middle letters.

    If you are an introvert then the first or dominant function would be the introverted one (Ni if you are INFJ and Fi if you are INFP) and if you are an extrovert then your first function would be the extroverted one (Fe if you are ENFJ and Ne if you are ENFP).

    This site describes what those functions are and goes into more detail: Jungian Function Theory

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    I have another question:

    Is it possible to be a P at home and a J at work? More accurately....I don't work in an office. I do a lot of work from home and though I work in an institution, much of my work is self-structured. My work is built into my life and isn't just a 9-5 gig.

    I have so many elements of boht P and J I can't decide which I am. Professionally, I'm very much J. Personally, I'm very J but with a lot of P as well. Can these two functions be split between personal and professional life?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psyche View Post
    I have another question:

    Is it possible to be a P at home and a J at work? More accurately....I don't work in an office. I do a lot of work from home and though I work in an institution, much of my work is self-structured. My work is built into my life and isn't just a 9-5 gig.

    I have so many elements of boht P and J I can't decide which I am. Professionally, I'm very much J. Personally, I'm very J but with a lot of P as well. Can these two functions be split between personal and professional life?

    Thanks.
    Same here. The best i could think of was that the professional world (work) is designed around SJ. Thus we adapt to it and function that way when exposed to its repetition. SJ style becomes an engrained habit at work due to always trying to make adaptation easier. Kinda like P is your mother tongue, then you are introduced to the language of J and are raised on J outside the home, yet use P around the family by instinct. Probably so the mother tongue doesn't die off.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    I've been struggling to settle on my enneatype. I have a few other posts in this forum for additional information. I definitely carry a strong 3 energy, but can't determine if this is my core type or a strong wing or connection. Most likely explanation is 3w4, though I've not read descriptions for this variant. If this is the case, superficially I'd describe myself as a Core 3 who was told he was gifted as a child (w4). After achieving top honors in grade school with no after hours effort (never learned value of hard work but expected achievement), subsequently moved to enrichment classes (increased difficulty), lost support of and respect for parents (leaning heavier on 4, moving away from 2's motivation to produce socially accepted results and to 4's individual achievement ie. status in a gaming alliance) and disintegrated emotionally to 9 (powered in large part by 6's ability to generate "what if's" and plausible catastrophe, but chiefly realized through feeling the need to achieve but not helping self to do so; longing for an external force to get me going in the right direction -- a rescuer, a lightning bolt, a eureka moment) and began a routine of instant gratification seeking / narcotizing since early teens with video games, websites and substances. Learned to wear a 3's face while minimizing relevant output. Or at least learned to think of one's output as minimal where compared to the achievements of peerage.

    Alternatively I'm a Core 6 with a strong connection to 3 (parental + peer groups), detachment explained by connection to 5, and narcotization is gluttony by 7.

    Or, I'm 4w3. Connections to 3 and 2 would be explained, as is self-imposed pressure to appear like "good boy" ideal of perfection to others.

    3w4 still seems most reasonable though, with little access to gratitude, little esteem in what I have achieved (focus on what I didn't accomplish / what I could have accomplished. Maybe I don't have a question, but rather please point out if/how I have misused the system.

    Lease access to E8 clearly, else I'd be asking these questions of my personal authority :P

    Also, any help with my variant stack? No idea where to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornslippy View Post
    Also, any help with my variant stack? No idea where to start.
    Introduction to Instinctual Subtypes - the enneagram ...info from the underground

    As for the rest of your issue, I have no idea what to say. You seem to have thought this out a lot. All I can tell you is to try to relate to the core motivations of the type, and check for integration/disintegration patterns within you.

    Quote Originally Posted by psyche View Post
    I have so many elements of boht P and J I can't decide which I am. Professionally, I'm very much J. Personally, I'm very J but with a lot of P as well. Can these two functions be split between personal and professional life?

    Thanks.
    No they can't. P and J is determined by cognitive functions more than anything.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Can you provide examples of E4 integrating/disintegrating? How to distinguish between 3w4 and 4w3?

    While I do value achievement, I relate more to the E3 descriptor "performer" for it's dual meaning as achiever or actor.

    Are there traits that a 3w4 could not have?

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    Check these out- Descriptions of the Enneagram Wings

    ^I link this way too much, but they are the best type descriptions (with wings included).

    E4 takes on some traits of the 1 in integration, and of the 2 in disintegration. I can probably get an external source to help you on that one but she isn't available right now.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Hey kitty!

    Why am I not an S type?
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Because everyone on the internet is an N!

    To be honest the only real way that I can determine S vs N is looking for function use. Using the dichotomy itself leads to really really inaccurate results. The definitions given for S vs N are generally ridiculous too.

    As for why, it's because you're an INTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    As for why, it's because you're an INTJ.
    But why is that?
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