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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Wikisocion home - Wikisocion
    The Socionist

    The blog doesn't have all of the information about socionics, but it's a very good resource for what it has. I wouldn't judge Fe as something you don't use until you read it on his blog- Socionics : Extraverted Ethics
    Thanks for the links, there is a lot of information here. However, are extraverted intution and extraverted feeling the only functions with a detailed description? I am actually more interested in functions than types, so this is somewhat important to me.

    I am an MBTI INFP, and I score INTP in socionics, I am wondering if this is reasonable, since the Socionic's website says MBTI INFP correlates most with Socionics INFJ in the who's who section.

    I have trouble through typing myself through type descriptions, I simply see myself in too many types, which is why I place a lot of emphasis on function mechanics. So if it's possible having socionic's view on each function and their attitudes would be amazing.

    I apologize if I'm being to picky :blushing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    How do subtypes work?

    Also, thank you =D.

    Also, how do you explain a horrible mismatch with your "duel"?
    ISFJs do not work for me.
    There have been a lot of theories on how subtypes work, but to put it simply there are some people who use their first function a lot, and some people who are pretty balanced. I use my first function the most socionics wise, so I'm an Si-SEI. You can get pretty Ni, so I'd say Ni-ENTJ. You aren't an overwhelming force of Te.

    ...Although a Te-ENTJ would be more in touch with her Fe. Hmm. Since If Te is strengthened, then the role Fe would be strengthened as well. Since that's basically doing Te that looks like Fe, and you do that a lot. But like I said, you aren't an overwhelming force of Te. But that may be because you're a 7?

    Of course there can be duals that you hate. Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by nzAShadow View Post
    Thanks for the links, there is a lot of information here. However, are extraverted intution and extraverted feeling the only functions with a detailed description? I am actually more interested in functions than types, so this is somewhat important to me.

    I am an MBTI INFP, and I score INTP in socionics, I am wondering if this is reasonable, since the Socionic's website says MBTI INFP correlates most with Socionics INFJ in the who's who section.

    I have trouble through typing myself through type descriptions, I simply see myself in too many types, which is why I place a lot of emphasis on function mechanics. So if it's possible having socionic's view on each function and their attitudes would be amazing.

    I apologize if I'm being to picky :blushing:
    Go to Wikisocion and look at the function placement definitions. That will answer your questions on the functions. And yes, it does bug me that that blog only has a good definition of Ne and Fe.

    A lot of people on wikisocion are mistyped, so the descriptions of the type profiles can be a bit off. As far as I know there is an SEI who thinks she's an IEI, that contributed to the IEI profile. Also an EII who thinks they're an IEI contributing. Eh. I wouldn't trust them.

    And you're NOT an ILI/INTp. At all. No questions. You aren't an Fe PoLR, at all. If tests were reliable then my type would be INTX, since I regularly score INTP or INTJ with a borderline P/J depending on my mood.

    PoLR Fe for ILI from the wiki linked below-

    ILIs are typically out of touch with expressing their emotional states. They are often seen as cold, unresponsive, and undesiring of human contact (which is often not the case). As a consequence, ILIs tend to be somewhat reclusive and often feel out of touch with their social surroundings. The rules of the social "game" are often very poorly understood by ILIs. The are often unconfident and uneasy in social settings, especially those in which they feel that are expected to abide by social conventions that they have little connection to such as tribesmanship or purposeless joviality. Additionally, ILIs tend to regard the development of trust with others with significant anxiety, fearing that their inner world or antisocial tendencies will be unfavorably looked upon by social convention. Often ILIs eschew many social situations and neglect emotional association with groups, instead seeking deep emotional connections with individuals.


    ILIs are often seen as especially negative, harsh, and overly critical. This is in part because ILIs -- when serious -- tend to communicate in a direct, straightforward manner. They usually are not aware of others' reactions to their ideas and avoid sugar-coating them. Many ILIs see their criticism as constructive and believe that they would be doing others no good by withholding their ideas. Because of their incessant criticism and negativism, ILIs are sometimes seen as haughty or arrogant.

    That isn't you at all.


    And just ignore the correlations. It seems like you're sticking to the j/p swap in your mind. That needs to go away.

    This website, although incomplete, has a lot of very good profiles on it- IEI - WSWiki There is the IEI profile. These profiles are written by a guy who knows his stuff generally.
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    Ok, thanks for letting me know what to watch out for, while I read this material.

    So the J/P swap isn't necessarily accurate. I don't remember exactly where I got it from, I think I've either read a lot of people mention it, or I noticed the change in the dominant function.

    Although one more question. Why do you think Socionics adopted the same labels and termonology as other systems, when they also have their own termonology? Is this a common practice in the typology field?

    It's like I'm taking a math class under one teacher one year, and the x variable will apply to the normal x axis, then the next year I get a different teacher, and he decides to make x refer to the y axis. At least that what it feels like to me, lol.

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    I guess because they're lazy? lol

    All of this branches from what Yung wrote about, but socionics made it much different from what MBTI's makers interpreted the functions as.
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    Alright, time to read with a new perspective in mind. Thanks.

    I may be back within the week with new questions, if not, then again thanks, lol.

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    Rawr.

    Quote Originally Posted by nzAShadow View Post
    Although one more question. Why do you think Socionics adopted the same labels and termonology as other systems, when they also have their own termonology? Is this a common practice in the typology field?
    Because it was developed by Russians, then when them Russian peeps came to english speaking world and found out about MBTI, they thought it was the same thing, so they applied MBTI labels to their stuffs, but then they realized the two systems were actually quite different, so they switched back to the way they did it back in Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    Also, how do you explain a horrible mismatch with your "duel"?
    ISFJs do not work for me.
    Either one or more of you is mistyped, or you're incompatible for non socionics reasons. Like if your duals a jerk, then (s)he is a jerk, and socionics doesn't magically make you love him/her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post

    Either one or more of you is mistyped, or you're incompatible for non socionics reasons. Like if you're duals a jerk, then (s)he is a jerk, and socionics doesn't magically make you love him/her.
    No this wasn't about a specific person, I mean in general. I have a hard time understanding how myself and an ISFJ could really connect beyond a superficial level. It's a really weird pairing in general.



    @ blackcat: What is meant by the psychological distance in a supervisory relationship? How exactly does the superiority manifest itself?

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    Well supervision is kind of a weird relationship for the supervisee. I suppose I could use an example of my ESTJ friend girl as a supervisor.

    I just feel very awkward letting her get close in my life, because well, she's my supervisor! But she isn't really overbearing or anything like that, and she's actually really nice. I just sometimes felt awkward about her, especially when she would get critical about a decision I would make.

    But eh, we've known each other for a long time, and most of that's dissolved for the most part. Since we know each other so well and all. With your supervisor you just have to tell yourself that they don't MEAN to do that.

    I also had similar issues with my ENFJ mom. She used to think that I was just being an asshole and being overly critical of her, when I didn't mean that at all. But I've done some explaining to her about socionics and typology, and it's fine now. She sees my Si as something that's good and not something that puts her on the spot about her mistakes now.

    Your supervisor would be ISTP by the way @ justxher.
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    Alright, I've now taken an interest into Socionics. Is there a decent forum for Socionics discussions that isn't predominantly in Russian?

    Also one for Enneagram would be great, I haven't ran into a good Enneagram forum yet.

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    There is basically one socionics forum, but it's filled with drama and people who are jaded about the theory. There are also a lot of people who have been there going on five years, and who just don't care anymore and just socialize.

    the16types.info Socionics Forums - A forum about Socionics Use extreme caution... They are very warped in how they understand these things. They think that MBTI is strictly the 4 dichotomies and think that it's all garbage. It's not taken well over there.

    However there is a lot to learn on the forum if you just look around... I'd just lurk.

    I'm not sure about an enneagram one.
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