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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMarcello View Post
    Hello my bipedalled friend...several hundred posts in two months on boards that analyze inner stuff like personality makes type 9 unlikely. 9s aren't the most prolific posters when it comes to all the nooks and crannies of their mind. Neither are 3s for that matter.
    Nines can post a lot of stuff about personality systems and about themselves, but they don`t tend to dig deep into their inner life. There seems to be a defense mechanism at work. They can for instance do tests after tests to determine their personality type or they engage in discussions about the enneagram, but it`s more on the surface. Nines often think they do a lot, but their activity really is a way to avoid doing the essential things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    Nines can post a lot of stuff about personality systems and about themselves, but they don`t tend to dig deep into their inner life. There seems to be a defense mechanism at work. They can for instance do tests after tests to determine their personality type or they engage in discussions about the enneagram, but it`s more on the surface. Nines often think they do a lot, but their activity really is a way to avoid doing the essential things.
    I don't agree with your generalization above, but I am very curious how you came to this conclusion? I agree that the profile of an E9 emphasizes accommodation, "keeping the peace", even incorporating characteristics of other types, but that doesn't indicate that there is not introspection, questioning, examination of the core motivation/fear relationship when these patterns are recognized upon self-exam.

    Please share with me what are the "essential things" that aren't superficial that other types are more prone to do...perhaps I am another type, or perhaps I am a 9 that doesn't fit your assumptions. Just wondering.
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    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by statuesquechica View Post
    I don't agree with your generalization above, but I am very curious how you came to this conclusion? I agree that the profile of an E9 emphasizes accommodation, "keeping the peace", even incorporating characteristics of other types, but that doesn't indicate that there is not introspection, questioning, examination of the core motivation/fear relationship when these patterns are recognized upon self-exam.
    The Nine`s passion is sloth. That doesn`t mean that Nines are necessarily lazy in the most obvious sense, Claudio Naranjo rather calls it psycho-spiritual sloth.

    Certainly Nines do introspection, questioning and so on, but only to a certain point. If their inner peace is in jeopardy, they don`t want go any further. Their defense mechanism can lead them to do a lot of things just to avoid crossing the point where their inner peace will shatter. This is mostly unconscious and Nines are normally eager to tell that they put a lot effort into their introspection, but they really circle around the surface.

    Please share with me what are the "essential things" that aren't superficial that other types are more prone to do...perhaps I am another type, or perhaps I am a 9 that doesn't fit your assumptions. Just wondering.
    It`s not really my assumption since I`m not the first to come up with this. Also this pattern isn`t restricted to the spirituality and personality, but rather happens with everyday things. For example, a Nine once told that he made a to-do list in order of importance as an exercise, but then he automatically devoted his time doing the most unimportant things on his list.

    Why do you think you`re a Nine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    No, I'm not trust me. Descriptions of the Enneagram Wings <- 9w8 fits perfectly on that, sx/so of the 9 on this Nine Stacks - the enneagram ...info from the underground

    You can't really tell just from this. I've been diplomatic with you in this thread to get information. Probably not 9w8, I'm being providing for you, since YOU are giving me the information that I seek. 9w8s aren't exactly tactful I've read... and my trying I guess would make you see the 1 wing.
    Most 9w8 descriptions on the net are garbage so I don't use them but if you want to use them for yourself be my guest.

    And yes...9w8s have an ego in not being easily agitated. 9w8 is calmness(9) from a position of strength(8). Passive aggressiveness is more 9w1 since 9w8s see passive-aggressiveness as weakness...similar to core 8s there.

    The more and more you talk the less and less 9w8 you seem.

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    Could you provide some information on 8w7, I'd be curious .

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    ^Interesting! I just love this back and forth discussion. I came to a tentative conclusion of being a 9 after reading a book on the typology many years ago, and discussing it with a friend to get her feedback. I didn't want to take a test right away because I felt it would inhibit my own self-reflection if I were already given a number as a starting point. After reading each type I had great difficulty discerning whether I was that type or not, making arguments for and against for each type; seeing myself in each type. When I came to the last one, it struck a chord in me and certainly seemed to relate to past behaviors and core motivations. Not to mention, I work in a field that is principally based around accommodation and building concensus, when possible. I will say that I also identify strongly with 1 and 2 as well.

    When I finally did take the test, I came up with 1w9, 9w1, 1w2 and 2w3. After looking at all of these holistically (taking into account the order of variants I have) I identified closest to 9w8 because of my aggressive, persistent nature when taking on a challenge. I found the descriptions of 9w8 sx/so to have some uncanny similarities to myself, even to the point of explaining some very strong reactions that people have had to me. Considering the different variables in different types I also ruled them out.

    I do know that when I have pushed myself to really look beneath my own actions and get to my core motivation it is not always pretty, but in those moments there is some exhiliaration in understanding myself further. To know my dark nature, is to truly know myself. There is beauty in that.

    So perhaps I'm not a 9...
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    I really don't know life at all

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    Oops, sorry, my last post was directed to Delphyne's question. If anyone else would like to chime in that would be cool, too.
    I've looked at life from both sides now
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    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

    Joni Mitchell

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    Any know where ENTPs in general fit in Ennaegram?
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    Nines can post a lot of stuff about personality systems and about themselves, but they don`t tend to dig deep into their inner life. There seems to be a defense mechanism at work. They can for instance do tests after tests to determine their personality type or they engage in discussions about the enneagram, but it`s more on the surface. Nines often think they do a lot, but their activity really is a way to avoid doing the essential things.
    It's strange, but the way you're wording this makes it sound like we consciously don't dig deep. Digging deep is a conscious effort for me (edited past sentence in, see? I have to consciously do it and relate it to myself). I think that yes, 9's don't dig deep at first, but that doesn't stop us from getting deep if we want to. I'm a human being, if I think about getting deep, then I will. Simple as that. That's what I do when I see my posts need some more depth, I'll give them some. Even if it's not a first instinct to do so. I find myself editing my posts to add said depth a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    Certainly Nines do introspection, questioning and so on, but only to a certain point. If their inner peace is in jeopardy, they don`t want go any further. Their defense mechanism can lead them to do a lot of things just to avoid crossing the point where their inner peace will shatter. This is mostly unconscious and Nines are normally eager to tell that they put a lot effort into their introspection, but they really circle around the surface.
    I find this true for the most part, but this doesn't mean that I won't cross my comfort zone if I see that something needs to change, even if it means shattering the peace. I can do a good deal of introspection when I see it as needed... or when I need to "find" something within me. But mostly I'm not introspecting and I'm thinking about something else, and usually thinking about something else inspires me to introspect to see how I feel about what I was thinking about and such. But then I just go back to thinking about something else.

    Keep in mind that on the 9 levels of health of an enneagram type (I've read about this), I related to the 1 on the 9's health level, being the best. So yeah. I think it's silly to not have a sense of self or feel that you, the individual aren't important.

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post
    Any know where ENTPs in general fit in Ennaegram?
    Check out the 7 or 8 first, then check out the 3 or 6 possibly. But anything is possible. Read these short and sweet descriptions- 9types.com - Enneagram tests, type descriptions, forums Descriptions of the Enneagram Wings
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post
    Any know where ENTPs in general fit in Ennaegram?
    Normally either 3s or 7s. I'm getting a 3w2 vibe from you FWIW.

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