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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    That dog won't hunt.
    The evidence has been discussed exhaustively in this thread.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    The evidence has been discussed exhaustively in this thread.
    That dog won't hunt, either.

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    In two lengthy posts of that most irritating of INTP habits, the tendency to coerce facts into the shape of their thinking's image, one section, and one alone, stands out as potentially objective:

    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Hence, in the statement of new facts, its chief value is indirect, because new views rather than the perception of new facts are its main concern. It formulates questions and creates theories; it opens up prospects and yields insight, but in the presence of facts it exhibits a reserved demeanour. As illustrative examples they have their value, but they must not prevail. Facts are collected as evidence or examples for a theory, but never for their own sake
    This is what he did. He observed the instances of NSA misconduct, formulated a theory about how/why this happens, what it leads to and what might halt it, and then acted in harmony with that theory. He "opened up prospects and yielded insights" - that's EXACTLY what he did. He collected facts, instances of "abuses", not because they were important in themselves, but because they illustrated the problems with POLICY -the pattern of wrong-doing he'd observed and the root cause he'd identified -that made such things inevitable.
    I'm pretty sure you're missing the meaning of "reserved demeanour", but the interpretation certainly is plausible.

    So: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/14...he-true-hooha/

    “I can’t hope to change the way things are going by overtly complaining, writing letters, or blowing things up,” Snowden wrote in 2003 in response to a discussion about corporate greed on the Ars Technica online forum.

    “That’s not the way a good person does things. I will, however, do what I can with the tools that are available to me.”

    And further: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-ars-technica/

    re: #arsificial

    It was an online destination Snowden would return to dozens of times over the next four years, often remaining quiet for hours on end before engaging in bursts of dialogue. The chat snippets show a strident personality, and at times, the inchoate ideology of a man who would ultimately take drastic measures to fight government secrecy. In #arsificial, Snowden was frequently someone ready to go to the mat for his beliefs—even when no one was on his side.
    And he could be abrasive. Snowden didn't short stocks just to make money—he did it because it was the right thing to do. He saw himself as a paladin of the markets, bringing "liquidity" to all. As for those who didn't agree with him about the rightness of the gold standard or the need to eliminate Social Security, they weren't just mistaken—they were "retards."

    Four years ago, Snowden presented an image of always being sure of himself, sometimes to the point of seeming arrogant. He often thought he was the smartest guy in the room, and he let others know it.
    And: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-became-one/3/

    Snowden may have leaned libertarian on some issues, but he also exhibited strong support for America's security state apparatus. He didn't just work for it as a quiet dissident. Four years before he would leak the country's secrets, Snowden was cheering its actions and insisting that it needed healthy funding. To anyone who questioned US actions in his favored online hangout, he could be derisive.
    And he liked the allcaps.

    But also:

    The chats make clear that what Snowden discovered while working for the government felt so deeply wrong to him that he had a major change of heart. While there was no "one moment," seeing officials lie about these omniscient spying programs over a period of years pushed him over the edge. "It was seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress—and therefore the American people," Snowden said in an online chat last week. "Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy. The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed."
    And then:

    Snowden suggested during his Q&A last week that he was waiting for Obama to bring change to the surveillance state. Clearly, even more than halfway through the first term of the Obama presidency, Snowden was a wholly different person than he is today. Whatever happened during those four years, it resulted in profound disillusionment. Snowden ultimately reached the decision to throw away the life he knew and to reveal the truth about NSA spying programs.
    So...
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    Policy, Policy, Policy...

    And the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only gonna get worse. Until eventually there will be a time where, uh, policies will change, because the only thing that restricts the activities of the surveillance state are policy. Even our agreements with other sovereign governments, we consider that to be a stipulation of policy rather than a stipulation of law. And because of that, a new leader will be elected, they'll flip the switch, uh, say that, um, because of the crisis, because of the dangers that we face in the world, y'know, some, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it, uh, and it'll be turn-the-key tyranny.

    Yeah so, in his words, he came forward over NSA policy or NSA practice? Or is it state practice? Or is it none of them, since he's talking about a future that's guaranteed where there is popular inaction? If he's talking about the hidden policies of the NSA that are different from the policies presently written down, why doesn't he focus on that? Why is he all about the coming practice?

    So, that's what INTPs do? They hide their sense of where the basic error resides and they talk about maybe futures instead? Sitting right out in front of the media is perhaps the wrong time to use Behind The Scenes interaction style, but he can't help himself, right? Even now, he's still looking for new possibilities by throwing out scary possibilities like tyranny so he can see what people argue back?

    That actually is probably why I haven't seen INTP here. To have Snowden be INTP offends any number of aesthetic and ethical sensibilities because it seems to me there are basic elements to his performance you have to remove first, the biggest one being conviction.
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    INTPs can have convictions. They're just usually hidden. You've really never seen an INTP express a concern for morality?
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    They seem frequently to express concern for norms of respect and the institutional structures that arrange people in relationship to one another. Sexism, for instance, is a popular board topic with TPs and FJs. Innate, objective characteristics of people and persons in general go on to prove what laws and conditions of behavior are currently wrong or poorly practiced. And other stuff that keeps sounding quite rigid.

    But as for personal conviction, no, not a lot of that. Conviction, where it exists, appears rendered in terms of the objective and impersonal, and doesn't look like conviction. It looks like trying to make rules outside of yourself.

    And not a drop of that kind of talk appears present in the Snowball.
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    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    I'm sorry children, it's been resolved:

    A 2002 profile he posted on the defunct anime site Ryuhana Press reveals Snowden’s obsession with anime.
    INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So...
    So...what?

    I'm pretty sure you're missing the meaning of "reserved demeanour",
    You're pretty sure of something you're completely wrong about.
    Quelle surprise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    That actually is probably why I haven't seen INTP here. To have Snowden be INTP offends any number of aesthetic and ethical sensibilities because it seems to me there are basic elements to his performance you have to remove first, the biggest one being conviction.
    That confirms my conviction that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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    I imagine it would, and yet... are you aware you have a really strong tendency to alter the meaning of presented information? That presumably is a product of "conviction", or determined belief, but it fits really well with that Jung comment about coercing facts. It's particularly evident that the reasoning involved is not extroverted thinking. This is something of an eye-opener, and it seems to me not actually a fault, however destructive of discussion it can be. So, here we are, again.

    I can't imagine what you're seeing, or what anyone is seeing to let them say INTP. The self-aware INTP is the typological unicorn, but suddenly here you all are stepping up and definitively identifying one of their own based on........ similarity?

    Yeah, that, and this coercion of facts thing, they don't sit entirely well together.
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