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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Not INFJ then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    Monroe was a thinker, but not a Thinker, in MBTI terms. She felt things very deeply, and her acute sensitivity greatly contributed to her insecurity and fear of rejection. She was also very emotionally disturbed due to her childhood and genetic predisposition for mental illness, desperate for love and approval, and prone to making up stories for attention. A lot of her quotes reflect the self she wanted to be or the self she wanted to craft as part of her mystique. She was very, very shrewd, very smart, but also very emotionally vulnerable always. I have never seen an INTP get anywhere close to Monroe's famous vulnerability--her most marked characteristic after her sex appeal. I don't see any great evidence of her being an I, either. Maybe borderline I/E, but she seemed to be more outwardly directed. Possibly a shy, conflicted E. I would be greatly surprised if Monroe wrote that book by herself, too--not that she wasn't capable, but movie stars in the 50s were far more likely to have a collaborator/ghostwriter.

    From the portrait in this book, which features many quotes from interviews with those closest to her, I get a distinct impression of a very kind, very intelligent ENFJ who probably could have been very happy in life if she hadn't had such a desperate need to be approved of and loved to make up for her lack of a normal family. She trusted the wrong people, people who made her dependent upon them for her sense of self, but she was also both charming and strong-willed enough to evade those whose concern was genuine. She was also, according to her psychologist and several others who treated her, bipolar and borderline paranoid schizophrenic later in her (short) life, as were her mother and grandmother before her. So once you get past a certain point in her life, type kind of goes out the window.
    You read the biography. I read the autobiography.
    There is a world of difference between the two.

    The people who wrote plays and books about her did not know a thing.
    They were into fame and easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    You don't have to guess. You may have to guess on I/E in some cases, but Ne/Se tends to be very clear-cut. Just read her interviews. Her language is concrete, earth-bound, factual, perceptive re: factual reality, etc.
    I confess I don't really know much about Marilyn Monroe, but how is the below "concrete, earth-bound, factual, perceptive re: factual reality" language?

    Quote Originally Posted by Night
    "I'm trying to find myself as a person, sometimes that's not easy to do. Millions of people live their entire lives without finding themselves."

    "Creativity has got to start with humanity and when you're a human being, you feel, you suffer."

    "It's better to be unhappy alone than unhappy with someone."

    "A career is born in public -- talent in privacy."

    "Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul."

    "Being a sex symbol is a heavy load to carry, especially when one is tired, hurt and bewildered."
    Just reading the quotes in this thread makes me think of an NF. Overall she gives me an ENFx impression, with some ISFPness thrown into the mix; but then, some ENFPs I know have a VERY sensual vibe, just like some ENFJs I know are very intelligent and sexy charmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteninja View Post
    Not INFJ then?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    I confess I don't really know much about Marilyn Monroe, but how is the below "concrete, earth-bound, factual, perceptive re: factual reality" language?



    Just reading the quotes in this thread makes me think of an NF. Overall she gives me an ENFx impression, with some ISFPness thrown into the mix; but then, some ENFPs I know have a VERY sensual vibe, just like some ENFJs I know are very intelligent and sexy charmers.
    Before even taking a look at the lines you cited, remember, when you are dealing with MBTI typing you are dealing with preferences, not absolutes. In other words, every person will use and express all functions and attitudes at some point. To minimize mistakes, therefore, it's important to use a sufficiently large sample size of language if typing by interview analysis. One could watch a single game from Wimbledon in 1980 and "type" Bjorn Borg as a serve & volley tennis player; if one watched several matches, it would become quite clear that he was predominantly a great baseliner.

    But anyway, just for shits and giggles, let's look at the quotes you reference:

    "I'm trying to find myself as a person, sometimes that's not easy to do. Millions of people live their entire lives without finding themselves."
    This appears to me to be a perceptive statement--an observation of a process the subject is engaged in. The "millions of people..." is most clearly read as an S statement of concrete reality and the "find myself" as Fi, but not particularly definitive.

    "Creativity has got to start with humanity and when you're a human being, you feel, you suffer."
    If you are going to take letters away from this, they would probably be Fi and Se.

    "It's better to be unhappy alone than unhappy with someone."
    Introversion and Feeling, slight Se concreteness.

    "A career is born in public -- talent in privacy."
    Introversion. Again expressed in very concrete language.

    "Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul."

    Fi, Se.

    "Being a sex symbol is a heavy load to carry, especially when one is tired, hurt and bewildered."

    Se, Fi. Interesting to see the literal use of "heavy load" in a non-ironic statement.

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    I'd say INFJ....

    I've read a few biographies of her and also Athrur Millers Auto bigorgraphy, and I think she was totally controlling about how she was percevied.... she's big J.... To the point of cutting her heels on one shoe in order to make her arse wiggle, using 3 shades of lipstick in order o keep her mouth lusious... hours of practicing faces and looks etc. So J type in my book and a rather extrem one at that.

    She has an interesting array of husbands. I think T types would have spent more time single and not feeling the need to be constantly in a realtionship.

    As for the N - well thats more hunch than having any specific evidence to back it up.... I'd sway to S type if pushed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Obvious, obvious SFP.
    Have to agree here; I go with blatant ESFP.

    "I am invariably late for appointments - sometimes as much as two hours. I've tried to change my ways but the things that make me late are too strong, and too pleasing." (Se)

    "A career is wonderful, but you can't curl up with it on a cold night." (Se)

    "I have feelings too. I am still human. All I want is to be loved, for myself and for my talent." (Fi)
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Have to agree here; I go with blatant ESFP.

    "I am invariably late for appointments - sometimes as much as two hours. I've tried to change my ways but the things that make me late are too strong, and too pleasing." (Se)

    "A career is wonderful, but you can't curl up with it on a cold night." (Se)

    "I have feelings too. I am still human. All I want is to be loved, for myself and for my talent." (Fi)
    Yeah I think people have been ignoring the downright obvious. If she seems ESFP on the surface, maybe she really is ESFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteninja View Post
    Yeah I think people have been ignoring the downright obvious. If she seems ESFP on the surface, maybe she really is ESFP?
    Only a Sensor would go for the obvious!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post

    Before even taking a look at the lines you cited, remember, when you are dealing with MBTI typing you are dealing with preferences, not absolutes. In other words, every person will use and express all functions and attitudes at some point. To minimize mistakes, therefore, it's important to use a sufficiently large sample size of language if typing by interview analysis. One could watch a single game from Wimbledon in 1980 and "type" Bjorn Borg as a serve & volley tennis player; if one watched several matches, it would become quite clear that he was predominantly a great baseliner.
    Well said!




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    But anyway, just for shits and giggles, let's look at the quotes you reference:

    "I'm trying to find myself as a person, sometimes that's not easy to do. Millions of people live their entire lives without finding themselves."
    This appears to me to be a perceptive statement--an observation of a process the subject is engaged in. The "millions of people..." is most clearly read as an S statement of concrete reality and the "find myself" as Fi, but not particularly definitive.

    "Creativity has got to start with humanity and when you're a human being, you feel, you suffer."
    If you are going to take letters away from this, they would probably be Fi and Se.

    "It's better to be unhappy alone than unhappy with someone."
    Introversion and Feeling, slight Se concreteness.

    "A career is born in public -- talent in privacy."
    Introversion. Again expressed in very concrete language.

    "Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul."

    Fi, Se.

    "Being a sex symbol is a heavy load to carry, especially when one is tired, hurt and bewildered."

    Se, Fi. Interesting to see the literal use of "heavy load" in a non-ironic statement.

    Also, I agree with this analysis.

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