Thread: Fiona Apple
09-03-2014, 12:27 PM #1
09-03-2014, 10:29 PM #2
Oh, so I wasn't supposed to post threads here. That's fine. Where did the replies go, though?
09-28-2014, 09:56 AM #3
INFP 4w5, definitely. Maybe 4w5-6-8w9 sx/sp
“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.” - Hermann Hesse
09-28-2014, 01:37 PM #4
4w5 yes, but INFJ rather than INFP. She's like the socionics INFp/IEI poster child.[ 4(69) "The Seeker"; IEI-2Ni (INFp) ]
10-06-2014, 10:39 AM #5
I just watched this other video of her, which I feel gives a slightly different impression (it's long enough to get a pretty good feel). She refers to herself as "such a compulsive doubter" and seems a bit more laid back and lazy in speech than I would expect from a 4w5-- she often doesn't pronounce the "g" in "ing" ending words ("makin', "talkin", etc.). Not that anyone could tell from a video alone, but I do think there are 6 and 9 influnces if she is 4w5 (469).
10-06-2014, 06:28 PM #6
I've spent all week thinking about her type, so it's a nice coincidence to stumble on this thread right now. It will be even better if I can articulate this neatly..
First of all.. She expresses her shame but she also makes fun of it at the same time. She never seems to wallow in it. Let's take this song, for instance, which I used to think was 4ish, before I typed correctly at 4 or understood the essence of the type.
People might say "Oh she's expressing shame and being a bad person" - but this is a 7's line to 1. Listen to the lyrics.. "I keep living this day like the next will never come" - this is a pure expression of 7w6. "I've done wrong and I wanna suffer for my sin" - 7 self-punishing, line to 1. This is a very 7ish, Take-what-you-want strategy. Not 4 at all. She makes a mockery of her shame. It's different for 4s. Here is what a 4 looks like:
"Poor me, I'm not good enough"
"Please rescue me, I need someone to understand me"
Those two videos are explicitly type 4 expressions. Now contrast this to Fiona Apple's mockery of her own shame and pain. The expressions on her face.. it's an expression of her own boredom.. haha.
She is whimsical and hilarious and pleasure-seeking.
And here she talks about how she never finishes songs and works better with deadlines. And her energy on stage is very "fun" ... she's very much an "entertainer" which 7s often are, rather than a "watch me suffer and feel with me" energy like 4s.
10-06-2014, 06:50 PM #7
10-07-2014, 12:14 AM #8
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If I am correct interpreting that "not about love" is not quite herself but her parody of an SO critique & response her (Taking the clip's depiction literally), real or imagined in her head, combined with her terrified reactions at the possibility of being looked over the shoulder, and how in the interviews her approach is not to make her insanity her own unique cross to bear but to call out the rest of the world for hiding there's. She is not isolate her identity based on the crazy like a 4 would, she's declaring we're all made from the same clay of crazy, this is all a lot more fitting for a 7w6.
10-07-2014, 10:10 AM #9
10-07-2014, 02:03 PM #10
+1 to Animal. Fiona is a sexual 7 to the bone.
I am Jack's sprite, planting sweet mischief into his mind at night.
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