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    She's some kind of IxFP.

    [YOUTUBE="HbDBSm8BUoU"]Amy Winehouse video a couple of months ago:[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    She's really obviously disturbed even before the drugs, so it's hard to really say. That said, I really really don't think she's a thinker, particularly not an ISTP. She keeps going on and on about emotions and feelings and making people feel things with her music, which granted is partly a musician thing, but she comes across as very Fi.

    If I had to guess I'd say ISFP at least pre-drugs. After drugs she seems to act more ESTP.
    Yeah I agree that the drugs could have altered her personality into something outrageous. I've seen one of my sisters strung out really badly, and a real addiction to hard drugs will make you act like a different person.

    The more I think about it, the more I agree she has to be some kind of FP because of the obvious motive for her art. ICUP brought up a great point with the emotive quality of her music, which is what I identify with about her. Why would a young STP focus that much on mellow, jazzy love songs, and pour her heart out about her personal flaws and relationships gone wrong? Very FP, totally.

    Perhaps that's the inherent quality she had that I feel I can relate to...it's Fi. She's an Fi type who may have acted more Se + T because of drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    I think it describes her.....
    It says she creates "more for herself than for an audience", and that could be true. That doesn't mean that she doesn't create AT ALL for an audience. It just means that her creations are done more as an expression of the self.
    Like every true artist do, does'nt mean she is 4 at all.


    A 3 more creates for an audience specifically.
    Who said she was 3?

    The real world does appear to be less interesting to Amy.
    Assertion wich is based on.. what?


    She's not what I would call a realist.
    Who said she was a realist ? But actually, her song talk a lot about the real life, often is a sarcastic way, and was very experienced of reality.

    As far as a minimalistic lifestyle: She generally did not pursue dating Hollywood celebrities,
    She was married. And she was an english singer, not an american actress, what the fuck the "hollywood" thing come to do here? Have we to necessarly fuck the Hollywood crowd to not be called "minimalist"?


    buying huge mansions,

    She was self-pres last. She does'nt care about the comfort of a mansion at all, other than that, her lifestyle was hedonistic and extreme, not "minimalist" at all.

    a "glamorous" lifestyle, or any of the other more lavish things materialistic lifestyles offer.
    The contrary of "minimalist" is not "materialist". As I said, you can be an extreme hedonist without being materialist. 4w5s are epured and more or less schisoid or avoidant, she was not like that at all.

    She came from a musical family, she was trained to sing, and she got signed. It didn't change the true person. It's not about having money, but how the person chooses to spend their lives regardless, that clues one in to the true personality.
    Amy is the true rebel.... the isfp who defies the rules without skipping a beat. She is one who would never change that. She's the one all the wanna-be's, wanna be.
    "She is a true person and she is a rebel so she is a 4". Do you realise how stupid it is?


    As opposed to:

    The six with a seven-wing: The Buddy

    Healthy: Engaging and funny, people of this subtype are less serious than the other subtype--
    Completely her.

    they tend to avoid heavy topics and restrict their focus on their security needs (taxes, bills, office politics, and the like).

    She was self-pres last, so, dod'nt have too much issues on this.


    They are serious, however, about commitments and make sacrifices to ensure the safety and well-being of their family and friends. They also enjoy good company, kidding around, and emphasizing their connections with others.
    She was completely like that.

    Average: These people are eager to be liked and accepted, but they are also more hesitant to speak out about themselves or their problems.
    She was usually likable and hardly talked about problems.

    While sociable, they are also insecure and depend on loved ones for reassurance and advice before coming to important decisions.
    It is obvious if you leanr more about her that she was sociable, anxious and codependant.

    They have problems with procrastination and initiating projects on their own. They tend to get into diversions and distractions to quiet that anxiety, including sports, shopping, and "hanging out" with others. Overeating, drinking, and substance abuse are possible.
    How can you not see how well that fits with her?

    They are not particularly political but can be opinionated and vocal about their likes and dislikes.

    Again, she was really like this.

    Anxiety about personal failings or important relationships can lead to depression.
    Yep! Amyt Winehouse was completely 6w7 then.

    For 4w3, I posted videos to show how true 4w3s are. She was not aristocratic at all, but actually, many 4w3s are not aristocratic either. 4s are human feeling who let time to let feelings expand when they are talking. They are theatrical in their melancholy and have a connection to 1 and a feeling of excellence of perfection. Amy Winehouse was a bubbly, eccentric and friendly tomboyish girl who hardly let time for feeling in conversations.

    In interview, she tried to anwered as quickly as possible, and thought at the same time she talked, with that typycal jerky speech. 4w3 are not jerky at all in their speech, they are rather slow, theatrical, melancholic, or even severe, sometimes tense and hyper emotive. When helthy they are like connected to an endless need of passion and quite joyfull, but never jerky.

    I'm not religious at all. I think faith is something that gives you strength. I believe in fate and I believe that things happen for a reason but I don't think that there's a high power, necessarily. I believe in karma very much though. There are so many rude people around and they're the people that don't have any real friends. And relationships with people - with your mom, your nan, your dog.. are what you get the most happiness in life from. Apart from shoes and bags.
    I know I'm talented, but I wasn't put here to sing. I was put here to be a wife and a mum and look after my family. I love what I do, but it's not where it begins and ends.
    She was in touch with the core meaning of faith and valued fairness, relationships and honesty. She has a taste for fashion and materials. She has a rebelious lifestyle and put family and duty before art. She was an addictive hedonist. She was a 6w7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    In interview, she tried to anwered as quickly as possible, and thought at the same time she talked, with that typycal jerky speech.
    Ok...but she was on drugs.....
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    She is also like this on videos where she's not on drugs. William Burroughs took drugs and was not like her, tons of people take drug and are not like her. Drugs and alcohol don't make us act the same way, we all have specific reactions to this based on our personalities. The "drug" argumenbt is pretty pointless. She was a real person before being a drug user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    we all have specific reactions to this based on our personalities
    This is true. I think it has to do with with body chemistry, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    This is true. I think it has to do with with body chemistry, too.
    Eh, I never take drugs but when I'am drunk, I'm completely different than the other dunks person around. I really feel that my own personality cange it completely as well as my own personal mood, it amplifies it, pretty much. Don't know about body chemistry though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Like every true artist do, does'nt mean she is 4 at all.
    Who said she was 3?
    Assertion wich is based on.. what?
    Who said she was a realist ? But actually, her song talk a lot about the real life, often is a sarcastic way, and was very experienced of reality.
    She was married. And she was an english singer, not an american actress, what the fuck the "hollywood" thing come to do here? Have we to necessarly fuck the Hollywood crowd to not be called "minimalist"?
    She was self-pres last. She does'nt care about the comfort of a mansion at all, other than that, her lifestyle was hedonistic and extreme, not "minimalist" at all.
    The contrary of "minimalist" is not "materialist". As I said, you can be an extreme hedonist without being materialist. 4w5s are epured and more or less schisoid or avoidant, she was not like that at all.
    "She is a true person and she is a rebel so she is a 4". Do you realise how stupid it is?
    Completely her.
    She was self-pres last, so, dod'nt have too much issues on this.
    She was completely like that.
    She was usually likable and hardly talked about problems.
    It is obvious if you leanr more about her that she was sociable, anxious and codependant.
    How can you not see how well that fits with her?
    Again, she was really like this.
    Yep! Amyt Winehouse was completely 6w7 then.
    For 4w3, I posted videos to show how true 4w3s are. She was not aristocratic at all, but actually, many 4w3s are not aristocratic either. 4s are human feeling who let time to let feelings expand when they are talking. They are theatrical in their melancholy and have a connection to 1 and a feeling of excellence of perfection. Amy Winehouse was a bubbly, eccentric and friendly tomboyish girl who hardly let time for feeling in conversations.
    In interview, she tried to anwered as quickly as possible, and thought at the same time she talked, with that typycal jerky speech. 4w3 are not jerky at all in their speech, they are rather slow, theatrical, melancholic, or even severe, sometimes tense and hyper emotive. When helthy they are like connected to an endless need of passion and quite joyfull, but never jerky.
    She was in touch with the core meaning of faith and valued fairness, relationships and honesty. She has a taste for fashion and materials. She has a rebelious lifestyle and put family and duty before art. She was an addictive hedonist. She was a 6w7.
    You took most of my points out of context/didn't understand them, and I think it would be pointless to go back and explain them again, so I'm not going to. (I'm not saying this is your fault, but I see a disconnect between what I am saying and what you are hearing).
    I will venture to mention that when I said "Hollywood celebrities", I generally assume that I am talking to someone in America. I realize I could improve on this. In America, people who become famous a lot of times will date other celebrities. In fact, I don't think I know of many celebrities who have chosen to marry complete "nobodies" (in celebrity lingo), although there are some. When they do, I consider that it has meaning. Amy's husband was a druggie and a "nobody" in celebrity terms, so I consider that could be a part of living "a minimalist lifestyle", ie. a more simple existence. I also think that celebrities who choose to go to dive bars and hang out with "nobodies" could be seen as minimalists, or simpletons, and she did this too..... The overall picture tells me that she was living a minimalistic lifestyle as opposed to a glamorous, (more complicated and less simple), star-studded one, and that was the point I was going for. I was addressing your bolded points that you claimed did not fit Amy.... and not necessarily trying to prove she was a 4 vs. 6 during this point......
    I think at this point, disagreeing is ok with me lol.......




    While I think it can be said that she fits SOME of the 6w7 profile as I would fit the 4w5 profile in some ways, I don't think you can say that it defines her. From what I've seen, enneagrams generally define the person, and 4w3/4w5 defines Amy a lot more than 6w7/6w5 does......(keeping in mind that most of us generally have both involved in some way). She "prefers downbeat scenes", not talking about taxes lmao...... (that just means I think she prefers jazz and downbeat scenes as opposed to being committed or concerned with security).....Sure, I think her life is possible as a 6w7, but I think there's nothing I've seen that tells me she IS 6w7, like I can see 4w5. It is after all, still just a guess for all of us.....



    4's lean toward severe depression, npd, avoidant, murder, and suicide. I think she could fit this mold.

    Sure, people in interviews are mostly all funny and engaging, that doesn't tell me much about the person.

    I think if you look at Woody Allen, you can see a good manifestation of 6w7 through art. "Funny and engaging" defines him as a whole, and he is outwardly concerned with security.
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    She is the dead type.

    Part of something called the 27 club, all the artists that die at that age.

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    Hoo boy, do I really have to go into the 27 thing?

    First of all, it was already elevated to cultural mythical status by the early 90's, so when something becomes a part of the culture's mythological status to that level, in the collective unconscious it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is, if you're one of those people who believe you are unlucky, or that bad things always happen to you, you will subconsciously self-sabotage. The 27 thing can operate on that level, which I think may have been the case with Kurt Cobain.

    Secondly, at 25 the brain has reached maturity, and the body's replication on a cellular level also begins to slow in the mid-to-late twenties. This means the body can no longer withstand the drug abuse that it may have been able to bounce back from in the late teens or early twenties. If you're 27 and you keep partying like you're 21, there could potentially be dire physical consequences.

    I don't think it's healthy to perpetuate superstition.

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