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    why is she an extrovert or a ti user?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    why is she an extrovert or a ti user?
    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Winehouse
    Women of my age waste their time thinking about what they will be in 5 or 10 years. The time they spent thinking, I just spent drinking
    She was an Se-dom and an experience junky, clearly repressed Ni. Had paranoid visions but consumed herself in the present moment to avoid thinking about the future.

    She was not introvert at all, she had some shyness issues, but was above all a bigmouth all her life with a viceral need to communicate.

    So she was an Se-dom but also was ESTP, not ESFP. She knew how to be charming but did not give a fuck about making people at ease, she was a tough, and a difficult person. Also, she was not emotional, or driven by her emotions or to express emotions in priority. She had ambition but her writing was not emotional at all, she simply saw that she had emotions, and that theses emotions could be an opportunity and a tool to get success.

    Quote Originally Posted by amy w
    I never meant or wanted to write about love, but that's what I did anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by amy w
    I'm my own worst critic, and if I don't pull off what I think I wanted to do in my head, then I won't be a happy girl
    She leads from the head first, not from the heart.

    No wonder she clashed with the ENFJ Bono since she is at the opposite of his humanitarian style. So she yelled at him to shut up and stop to bother us with his bullshits. But she said that there's was nothing feeling oriented or ethic oriented in her behavior, her style was just "I'm drunk, I'm loudmouth and I'm bored"= "I'm an ESTP".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    She had ambition but her writing was not emotional at all, she simply saw that she had emotions, and that theses emotions could be an opportunity and a tool to get success.
    sorry, i forgot for a second that you never have any idea what you're talking about. continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    sorry, i forgot for a second that you never have any idea what you're talking about. continue
    If it's more conforting for your ego to believe that Amy W was an Fi-dom or something, then believe it.

    But you are wrong as always, and you have nothing to support you opinion outside of begging the question and hanging to your wrong and silly beliefs.

    I have listen all her song, watch tons of videos and read three bios of her, and I've no lesson to receive from you about who Amy Winehouse was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I have listen all her song, watch tons of videos and read three bios of her, and I've no lesson to receive from you about who Amy Winehouse was.
    yeah dude, so have i. maybe there's a language barrier or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    yeah dude, so have i. maybe there's a language barrier or something.
    There's only one barrier and it is your bad liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    There's only one barrier and it is your bad liver.
    well if that's the case, then i must understand amy winehouse much better than you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    well if that's the case, then i must understand amy winehouse much better than you do
    There's not any clues of this so far anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    There's not any clues of this so far anyway.
    obviously you have some different, biased perspective of her. you assume that she wasn't an emotional person, and that she only wrote emotional songs to sell albums which you have no evidence of and that i don't believe. almost every song on back to black was inspired by one relationship/breakup she had and seemed very personal and emotionally expressive to me. as far as her being a bigmouth, she was under the influence of alcohol or cocaine during a lot of interviews/public appearance so that is going to have an effect on her behavior and make anyone seem more extroverted. what you're saying about her not caring about making people at ease is just more evidence for her preferring fi over fe, if you think that being a feeler automatically makes someone a people-pleaser, you're not that well-versed in mbti/cognitive functions.

    neither of those quotes have anything to do with leading with her head over her heart. and i think bono is full of shit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    obviously you have some different, biased perspective of her. you assume that she wasn't an emotional person, and that she only wrote emotional songs to sell albums
    No. I said that she was a song-writer, and that sentimental problems was considered by her as an accident, but also she took that as an opportunity to write better songs.

    [youtube=yLGeRV1u8aY]Amy Winehouse Interview[/youtube]


    She says she write when there's something in her head, a problem to solve, to get thing in order in her head. Ti. Also that she write at the most emotional moments, which can give the impression that she is emotional. But she is not emotional as a general rule. She does not consider her emotions as something which defines herself. But she is good at taking that as an opportunity to write. To turn bad moments in a productive way. And in the video she is not emotional at all. She looks more like the quaterback or the captain of a feminine football team.

    almost every song on back to black was inspired by one relationship/breakup she had and seemed very personal and emotionally expressive to me.
    You're saying "she has feelings so she is F", but MBTI does not work like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy w

    I never meant or wanted to write about love, but that's what I did anyway.

    I'm my own worst critic, and if I don't pull off what I think I wanted to do in my head, then I won't be a happy girl

    She talks about her experiences, including emotional experiences, but taking in account her emotions are not her favourite way to take decision.

    At the contrary, a notable characteristic of Fi users is that they are so driven to have emotional experiences and write about it that they do that even when that does not reflect their life at all. Marguerite Duras, for example, was an FP, and she write about love 99% of the time, while her experiences in that domain are extremely poor. Another example of FP is Cher, who still write songs about story of love, but about story of love which don't exist since she admits herself that she doesn't remember the last time the skin of a man have touched her body, and sleep with her dog.

    Keep in mind also that ESTPs have the specificity to be the only Thinker type (with, to a lesser extent, the ENTP type) which is correlated with the histrionic and hypomaniac personality. So that they can appear very emotional, that does not mean their preference is not for logic.

    as far as her being a bigmouth, she was under the influence of alcohol or cocaine during a lot of interviews/public appearance so that is going to have an effect on her behavior and make anyone seem more extroverted.
    She was extrovert and bigmouth since her childhood, and she was not under the influence of drugs at this time.

    what you're saying about her not caring about making people at ease is just more evidence for her preferring fi over fe,
    No. Because if "not being a people-pleaser" was simply part of her own personal ethic, as it could be the case with an Fi dom, she would not manage to be charming and desarming (some would say manipulative) buddy-buddy like when she needed to do in order to get what she wanted.

    and i think bono is full of shit too.
    But you don't yell and insults him during his speech.
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