S vs. N Conversation

[alcea rosea]

Originally Posted by ArbiterDewey

What are your thoughts?

I think that if you would discuss with ISTJ who had similar interests than you then you would really have the mutual understanding about your conversation.

Another thing
N's don't always get the mutual understanding with all the other N's. It happens only rarely!

I don't have problem talking with sensing people because I just change subjects. I can have a really good conversation with any type and about any subject on this planet. I'm really good in leading the conversation to somewhere where it did not start from. I confuse people by doing this. It's probably NP trait.

I think I can talk about almost anything because I'm so interested about everything. My biggest interest is people, their personalities and their behavior. I'm quite logical in my people behavior consistency evaluations even if I'm not very logical in other things. (There you see, I ended up somewhere where I did not start from. That's Ne for you. )

[Uberfuhrer]

Most of my family are Sensors. And they tend to never want to hear my fanciful conceptions, which are unrealistic but I like to come up with them for fun. But my mom's boyfriend, an ENxP, is extremely tolerant of it and we tend to enjoy bouncing ridiculous ideas off of each other. That tends to be what I enjoy doing for fun.

Sometimes the SPs I've come into contact with in college will discuss deeper subjects, and are usually very open-minded. But they only seem to display a casual interest in things like philosophy, politics, and religion, but it soon becomes clear that they discuss it in a very superficial way, as if they are only trying to appear profound. Their general behavior, however, is of an SP variant. Their main interests seem to be parties, music, sex, and relationships. Perhaps, as college students, their N has become more developed because of an exposure to more abstract concepts.

The SPs I've come into contact with tend to be rather tolerant of my fanciful ideas (which I know are unrealistic), but the tend to actually lack an interest in them. I am a walking encyclopedia of movie and video game knowledge (both trivial and technical). While they'll gladly talk about movies that I've seen, they'll talk more about their opinion and they'll listen to mine. But when I start talking about the more complex things, such as the special effects, they tend to get bored.

[Randomnity]

I don't like lumping people into Ns and Ss, because I can have a lot more in common with certain Ns than with certain Ss (individuals or types as a whole).

For instance:
INTJs: I tend to get along brilliantly. Usually on the same wavelength, though there are often misunderstandings
ESFJs: I just don't get them. We get along but I swear they make no sense most of the time sometimes.

In my experience (anecdotal evidence) mutual understanding comes best with INTJs, ISTPs, INFJs, and ENTPs, and worst with ESFJs, INxPs, ExTJs. The rest are all in the middle.

So for me at least it's not as simple as S vs N.

EDIT: side note: the few of my N friends that know about MBTI were sure I was N, even though I'm pretty sure I'm not. So maybe either N people tend to assume that others who 'get them' share their N, or I have an freakishly N-like communication approach for an S....or I suppose there's the possibility that I really am N, in which case everything I said here is worthless .

[Splittet]

Some say all Ss speak the same language, while all Ns speak an individual language. I don't think there is necessarily much difference between Ns and Ss when it comes to understanding Ss, but I guess it might depend somewhat on the nature of discussion, if it is concrete or deep. I do however think there can be larger large differences when it comes to understanding Ns. Even though Ns speak a unique language, other Ns recognize that other Ns, like them, speak a unique language. Ns share this experience, which also make them patient when trying to decipher the language of the other N, and generally more understanding, going through the same themselves every day. The S on the other hand, might easily think the N is just weird, and not have the patience needed to understand what the N is saying.

[alcea rosea]

Originally Posted by Splittet

Even though Ns speak a unique language, other Ns recognize that other Ns, like them, speak a unique language.

I strongly disagree with the unique N language. I find it hard to understand NT's for example! N's definitely don't speak any more unique language than other people on this earth.

Thinking of unique N language just makes us feel unique and I think most of people just want to feel they are unique. Everybody's unique in a way but I really don't believe in universal N language.

I don't believe Sensing people are more shallow than N's. N's just feel a bit unique with their feeling of deepness even if it wouldn't be there.

I'm just a bit bored with the N arrogance at times.

[Splittet]

Originally Posted by Alcearos

I strongly disagree with the unique N language. I find it hard to understand NT's for example! N's definitely don't speak any more unique language than other people on this earth.

Thinking of unique N language just makes us feel unique and I think most of people just want to feel they are unique. Everybody's unique in a way but I really don't believe in universal N language (or whatever it was).

Hehe, the whole notion might be sentimental indeed. Moreover, the whole MBTI theory is probably false.

You misunderstood what I was saying though. I was saying that every N individual speak a unique language, therefore Ns do not speak the same language, they only share speaking a different language from every other individual on earth.

[alcea rosea]

I like you sense of humour splitted!

Originally Posted by Splittet

You misunderstood what I was saying though. I was saying that every N individual speak a unique language, therefore Ns do not speak the same language, they only share speaking a different language from every other individual on earth.

Ok, that was complicated but I think I understood.
Yes, I didn't understand at first what you were saying in your previous post. I agree with your explanation (if I understood it correctly).

(Sorry - I keep on editing my posts in this thread! )

[whatever]

ummm.... all Ss don't speak the same as each other either beleive me- I know some pretty confusing Ss

[alcea rosea]

NT's make me always feel confused.

I think every person on this planet speaks their unique language no matter of their personality type or main function or whatever.

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by ArbiterDewey

No, this thread isn't what you're probably thinking.

I have noticed when listening to two of my friends (Metamorphosis/Hexis, both N types) that their conversational manner is on the same "wavelength" for lack of a better word. There is seemingly no time set to interpretation, they just know. It is as though they know exactly what the other person means, at all times. While myself, an S type, even in conversation with another S does not have this quality. It is as though I know exactly what I'm talking about, but I have to go far out of my way to get the other person to understand exactly what I'm saying or the point that I'm making. Two S types I find have the hardest time at this.

An S type talking to an N type, as far as I've heard brings stress to the N type. They're so used to being immediately comprehended that having to go out of their way for an S to comprehend them is seemingly a waste of time (as I have seen. May not be the case for all.)

What are your thoughts?

I have had similar observations to yours.

I don't know how "used to" being understood an N type is, since I know we are in the minority in the general population.
Being married to an S, I can attest to being mis-understood, or not fully understood, by my husband, most of the time.