Dungeons & Dragons v4.0

ArbiterDewey · 02-19-2008, 09:46 PM

I cannot wait for D&D version 4.0 to come out this June. I already have some awesome campaign ideas and story hooks.

I'm normally a Dungeon Master (DM).

Anyone else hyped/play?

Hexis · 02-19-2008, 09:50 PM

Of course im hyped, time to get some dice and paper out!

Jennifer · 02-19-2008, 10:18 PM

Sniff. I miss 2nd edition hardbacks.

disTant_eCHo · 02-20-2008, 03:24 AM

Dude, count me in, Dewey & Hexis.

Ivy · 02-20-2008, 03:32 AM

Out of curiosity, why do they need another edition? It seems very commercialized and exploitive nowadays.

ArbiterDewey · 02-20-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ivy

Out of curiosity, why do they need another edition? It seems very commercialized and exploitive nowadays.

Yes, it is. It took approx. ten years from 2nd edition (AD&D) to get revised to 3rd Edition (3.0). I personally think that was not exactly commercial exploitation. There was an obvious need for a clarification and simplification of those ridiculous rules. THAC0...nuff said.

Version 3.5 came out one year after 3.0 in order to re-clarify the rules and change some faulty core mechanics...however they marketed it with three brand new rulebooks and supplements. All of the previous content now erroneous, and nearly unusable. I had already purchased $400 in 3.0 stuff...I tried my hardest not to buy into the BS, but, inevitably it happened when I realized the changes were good and made gameplay solid.

Fourth Edition will change some things that more dedicated gamers will appreciate (up to lvl.30 characters in the PHB, Gnomes out of the PHB, Tieflings now in the PHB, and "sweet-spots" now occurring around lvl.1 instead of 17.) Finally utilizing the computer for character creation and Wizards created DM Tools will help maximize gameplay. I feel that it will truly be a good change. They are also releasing new core rulebooks, at $35 a piece. I don't mind buying these, but if a 4.5 or 5.0 comes out any time soon I'm out. I'll take a minimum 10 year gap, thank you.

Jennifer · 02-20-2008, 12:18 PM

Well, the 2nd ed and 3rd ed gap came primarily over the years when TSR actually owned the game and was trying to run things on their own. Lots of the old school original players were involved.

Many more RPGs (non-TSR) started coming out in late 80's and early/mid 90's (everyone seemed to want to make an RPG), and AD&D -- as the granddaddy game -- also had lots of legacy problems in their systems that newer systems had learned from and circumvented somehow. They had to change and produce, or die. TSR still got bought out by Wizards, and Wizards obviously has a commercial bent on things. They are probably using the same mentality as they use to market their card games -- tweaks/changes, getting new expansion products on the market, etc.

But a new generation of people/players is in charge too. Second and third-generation gamers.

Nadir · 02-20-2008, 01:55 PM

Looking forward to it. But you know what will blow? The inevitable PC adaptation of it.

Neverwinter Nights, which used the 3E ruleset, was a great game. It was what introduced me to D&D alongside BG2. These days I wouldn't really count on anyone to create the NWN or BG of 4E. Which rather sucks, given that I don't really have anyone to play the tabletop version with.

Geoff · 02-20-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nadir

Looking forward to it. But you know what will blow? The inevitable PC adaptation of it.

Neverwinter Nights, which used the 3E ruleset, was a great game. It was what introduced me to D&D alongside BG2. These days I wouldn't really count on anyone to create the NWN or BG of 4E. Which rather sucks, given that I don't really have anyone to play the tabletop version with.

NWN2 is pretty good a year later. I wisely (as it turns out) waited a year while they ironed all the bugs out... it runs pretty smoothly with a pretty decent plot and good game mechanics with a modern machine and patched up to date now. Plus it's a bargain purchase by now, and.... more and more classic modules have been adapted for NWN2 by the community. Keep of the Borderlands anyone?

Jennifer · 02-20-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff

... Keep of the Borderlands anyone?

Woo-hoo! Now you are talking!

What about "Against the Giants?" And did they ever do "White Plume Mountain" or "Tomb of Horrors"?

02-19-2008, 09:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
ArbiterDewey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Type: ISTJ Location: Houston, TX Posts: 320	Dungeons & Dragons v4.0 I cannot wait for D&D version 4.0 to come out this June. I already have some awesome campaign ideas and story hooks. I'm normally a Dungeon Master (DM). Anyone else hyped/play?

02-19-2008, 09:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hexis Bad Company Join Date: May 2007 Type: ENFP Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,698	Of course im hyped, time to get some dice and paper out! __________________ Strength, Determination, Merciless Forever Beauty is skin deep. A tattoo goes all the way to the bone. ~Vince Hemingson

02-19-2008, 10:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jennifer Werewolves bite. Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INtP Location: Secret vault Posts: 18,463	Sniff. I miss 2nd edition hardbacks. __________________ Blog: Seasons of Mist

02-20-2008, 03:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ivy Happy Unicorn Fun Time Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: ???? Posts: 10,080	Out of curiosity, why do they need another edition? It seems very commercialized and exploitive nowadays. __________________ I don't wanna face my fears! I'm afraid of 'em! -Spongebob

02-20-2008, 12:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jennifer Werewolves bite. Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INtP Location: Secret vault Posts: 18,463	Well, the 2nd ed and 3rd ed gap came primarily over the years when TSR actually owned the game and was trying to run things on their own. Lots of the old school original players were involved. Many more RPGs (non-TSR) started coming out in late 80's and early/mid 90's (everyone seemed to want to make an RPG), and AD&D -- as the granddaddy game -- also had lots of legacy problems in their systems that newer systems had learned from and circumvented somehow. They had to change and produce, or die. TSR still got bought out by Wizards, and Wizards obviously has a commercial bent on things. They are probably using the same mentality as they use to market their card games -- tweaks/changes, getting new expansion products on the market, etc. But a new generation of people/players is in charge too. Second and third-generation gamers. __________________ Blog: Seasons of Mist

02-20-2008, 01:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nadir Enigma Join Date: Dec 2007 Type: INxJ Location: Istanbul, Turkey Posts: 548	Looking forward to it. But you know what will blow? The inevitable PC adaptation of it. Neverwinter Nights, which used the 3E ruleset, was a great game. It was what introduced me to D&D alongside BG2. These days I wouldn't really count on anyone to create the NWN or BG of 4E. Which rather sucks, given that I don't really have anyone to play the tabletop version with. __________________ Not really.

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