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    Haha, I used to be a big stat nerd so I know that aspect pretty well.

    Have you ever heard of SOSH?

    I got a really good baseball stats 101 lesson there. One of the things I quickly learned was that you could get too hyper focused on stats and it was better to merge your actual baseball viewing knowledge and make inferences that would somewhat put you out on the limb. There is of couse a bunch of more in depth and detailed stats I could pull up(Sabermetrics and FIP and Isolated stats and what not), but I don't think thats necessary. That old stats saying really does ring true with baseball, If you want you can make stats say whatever the hell you want( Eric Van on SOSH).

    For example I was having a discussion the other day with my friend about the rays and he was saying BJ Upton is not really a threat and the sox shouldn't be too concerned with him. I mentioned that he still had a great OBP so his approach wasn't the problem, still had speed, so maybe it was an injury or he just lost his aggresiveness but his power couldn't have evaporated. Sure enough He goes on a tear in the post season and has 4 HR's allready.

    And the AL-NL comment was more along the lines that with a determined Manny and against the Wily veteran Moyer the Dodgers line up to him is more akin to an American League team. I think you're just hung up on the fact that I think Manny is too big a force but in actuality he really is that good.

    The biggest point I'm trying to make is the fact that the rest of the dodgers shouldn't have too much problem with getting on base and with Manny on fire it spells a long night for him. Seriously though I don't think thats something we should really be arguing about. Moyer is a guy who deals with people on base ala Dice K but pitches out of the jams, Unlike Dice K however he can't reach back for strikeouts or go through dominating stretches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    And the AL-NL comment was more along the lines that with a determined Manny and against the Wily veteran Moyer the Dodgers line up to him is more akin to an American League team. I think you're just hung up on the fact that I think Manny is too big a force but in actuality he really is that good.
    He is not good enough to win the series on his own. No one is.


    The biggest point I'm trying to make is the fact that the rest of the dodgers shouldn't have too much problem with getting on base and with Manny on fire it spells a long night for him. Seriously though I don't think thats something we should really be arguing about. Moyer is a guy who deals with people on base ala Dice K but pitches out of the jams, Unlike Dice K however he can't reach back for strikeouts or go through dominating stretches.
    He's been pretty dominant several times during the season. He is not a big K guy, but that isn't necessary. He just needs to keep the ball down and to keep the bases as clear as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    He's been pretty dominant several times during the season. He is not a big K guy, but that isn't necessary. He just needs to keep the ball down and to keep the bases as clear as possible.
    See thats the key there. Hes gotta have that approach against the REST of the dodgers lineup and it is up to them to take advantage, which I think they will. Manny on the other hand is Insanely good in the post season, Absurd. He also kills absolutely kills Moyer so it is going to be a very difficult task to maneuver around the rest of the lineup and also face Manny.

    Honestly though it really isn't hyperbole Manny legitimately will be the one cog that you can say "hey if people are on he will drive them in and do damage" and sure enough it seems like 90% of the time you're right and look like a genius. Hes hit like 400 since he joined them with crazy power, he would go on similar stretches with the Redsox...matter of fact last post season thats how Manny was Especially in the Cleveland series, which they would not have won if he wasn't that hot and crazy.

    I have to say though I dont think the dodgers will win the series nor do I want them to. Moyer v them though I really do think they will win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    See thats the key there. Hes gotta have that approach against the REST of the dodgers lineup and it is up to them to take advantage, which I think they will. Manny on the other hand is Insanely good in the post season, Absurd. He also kills absolutely kills Moyer so it is going to be a very difficult task to maneuver around the rest of the lineup and also face Manny.

    Honestly though it really isn't hyperbole Manny legitimately will be the one cog that you can say "hey if people are on he will drive them in and do damage" and sure enough it seems like 90% of the time you're right and look like a genius. Hes hit like 400 since he joined them with crazy power, he would go on similar stretches with the Redsox...matter of fact last post season thats how Manny was Especially in the Cleveland series, which they would not have won if he wasn't that hot and crazy.

    I have to say though I dont think the dodgers will win the series nor do I want them to. Moyer v them though I really do think they will win
    This would be the one game this series in which I would bet against the Phils, if I had to do so. The Dodgers will be playing desperate, and they should be a little looser in front of the home crowd. Plus, they could get to Moyer early. If the Dodgers do win, though, who starts Game 4? Maddux? Game 4 is almost always the most important game in a 7-game series, and the Dodgers won't throw Lowe back in there unless they are down 3-0. I think I would take Joe Blanton over whomever the Dodgers throw out there.
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    Yea I think the Phillies really have an advantage in terms of their starters. Kurodas the wildcard but Hamels, Myers, Blanton I think is a better bet than Billingsley, Maddux(whoever their 4th starter is), Lowe. Billingsly let em down and Lowe is good just tough luck I guess. Their offense is also more consistently dangerous.
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    You were right moyer was decent for almost 2 innings. NOT!!!!!!

    Ohh and Manny was on base every single time, Nomar and the rest of the dodgers offense weren't to intimidated by that sparkling 3.71 era and ace type performance.

    And no it wasn't some lucky hunch judging by how vehemently I argued my point.

    But I'd hate to say I told you so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    And no it wasn't some lucky hunch judging by how vehemently I argued my point.
    Uh, yeah, it was. That's why I took pains to point out ahead of time that I thought you had no basis for your prediction even if it turned out to be correct. This falls under "even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". Besides, a single and two walks isn't really killing it. Group effort by the Dodgers...Manny's contributions were negligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Uh, yeah, it was. That's why I took pains to point out ahead of time that I thought you had no basis for your prediction even if it turned out to be correct. This falls under "even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". Besides, a single and two walks isn't really killing it. Group effort by the Dodgers...Manny's contributions were negligible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    See thats the key there. Hes gotta have that approach against the REST of the dodgers lineup and it is up to them to take advantage, which I think they will. Manny on the other hand is Insanely good in the post season, Absurd. He also kills absolutely kills Moyer so it is going to be a very difficult task to maneuver around the rest of the lineup and also face Manny. When you get down to it though, I can almost guarantee you that the dodgers will score at least 5 or 6 runs against Moyer. Hes a Joke.

    Hmmm......... Yea you're right that wasn't my point in the first place.

    Oh and when your clean up hitter gets on base all 4 times. I would consider that a success. But what do I know maybe thats just a wild illogical guess that makes me look like a genius.

    And I could quote more of what I said but I thought that would suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    Hmmm......... Yea you're right that wasn't my point in the first place.

    Oh and when your clean up hitter gets on base all 4 times. I would consider that a success. But what do I know maybe thats just a wild illogical guess that makes me look like a genius.

    And I could quote more of what I said but I thought that would suffice.

    And I predicted a Dodgers victory yesterday.
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    NLCS hero Matt Stairs???
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