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    I snipped this from the Star Trek: Discovery trailer. Did they really bring back Harcourt Fenton Mudd?

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    It looks like good old Harry Mudd will be appearing in 9 episodes of this.
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    The more I see about this show, the more I think The Orville will be my preferred Sci-Fi, Utopian exploration series this year.

    I'm just tired of the rebooting and retreading of old characters and eras. Harry Mudd, really? Isn't one of the themes of Star Trek exploring the unknown and infinite diversity in infinite combinations? All this rebooting and prequelizing they've been doing since Enterprise makes me feel they're just scraping the bottom of a big barrel and not really trying to hard to think of any new or interesting situations and themes to explore. Trek was always a cash cow franchise but that aspect wasn't as obvious prior to the 2000s and especially 2009. Meh. Nerd ranting on my part. It is what it is.

    Discovery sounds like it will be a really high budget, poorly written fan series. I might even prefer New Voyages, but I won't know until I see Discovery. No wonder Paramount and CBS have been fighting to shut down fan productions. They don't want semi-professional productions making their new show look bad in comparison.

    Anyway, I can't afford this new streaming service so it's a moot point. The owners of the Trek brand have been taking advantage of fans' wallets for years; I remember wanting to buy all of the DVD series at one point but when I went to the store just ONE season of TNG cost over $100.00 USD. And of course then they'll release a "remastered" edition with even more extra features on an updated format like blu-ray, so of course the fans are going to want to update their collection and dump another several hundred bucks on replacing their now obsolete and imperfect set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    It looks like good old Harry Mudd will be appearing in 9 episodes of this.
    They'll probably try to find a way to work in Khan and Edith Keeler too, Maybe a cameo by Gary Mitchell or a young General Chang.

    Why bother writing interesting and, erm, new characters?

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    The new Starfleet uniforms look weird too. They look more like something that would fit into a post-TNG era or ST: online type of game. They don't really seem to fit the transition from the Kelvin to Nu Trek style uniforms either. They just look out of place and time.

    I'd assume something like a transitional uniform between the NASA-esque Enterprise Jumpsuits and TOS styles would make more sense. Or maybe a slight update on "The Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before" uniforms if you really want to be historically accurate to the canon.

    I also thought that pre-TMP ships featured different emblems unique to each ship's crew, so why is everyone wearing the Enterprise Arrowhead emblem? It would be cool to see a new, yet still "Trekkish" emblem. It would add to a pseudo-military, NASA feel where each crew had their unique mission patch (i.e. during the Apollo Program)




    I thought the reason given (behind-the-scenes) for everyone adopting the Enterprise emblem/insignia post-TOS was because Kirk's mission was iconic in that his ship was one of the few original Constitution class cruisers to return and that they made more first contacts and diplomatic successes than any previous Starfleet vessel.

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    I realize I sound like a sourpuss or Comic Book Guy, and I think part of my frustration is that I've just never cared as much for the TOS era, and every new Trek thing since 2009 has wallowed in revisiting retro Trek (even the fan films tend to focus on the TOS/Movie era A LOT). I have hoped for something set post-TNG, like a Next Next Generation of sorts, maybe where the Federation has made some inroads into the Delta Quadrant, as I think there were a couple of interesting races encountered on Voyager that would be interesting to revisit. Or perhaps the rejected Federation series or something like it (we've also seen barely any of the Beta Quadrant aside from the Romulans and Klingons, so that would be a good setting that allowed new races and situations without fucking around with the existing canon too much):

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    Move it forward several hundred years, because in this way you can sort of reboot things whilst also respecting the existing canon and chronology and not retconning everything already seen....


    I like the idea in Federation, exploring a complacent and sprawling Federation Empire that has lost a lot of its founding ideals. That would be a ripe setting for re-exploring humanity and shit, yadda yadda.

    Everytime one of these reboot or prequel series adds a new race, I wonder why we haven't heard from them again. Adding the Xindi, for instance, in Enterprise. An interesting species, but it becomes problematic because they're located in the alpha quadrant and yet it adds some problems to the chronology when a very prominent and influential race was never once encountered or heard from in any of the subsequent eras after Enterprise. Not to mention showing the Borg and ferengi, when first contact with either wasn't made until the 24th century in prior canon.

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    I'm watching this right now. So far I'm enjoying it, and I'll definitely stay with this. I like how alien they made they Kilngons, and the other aliens. The only thing I don't like is that there's a child actor who I think leaves something to be desired.

    As a side note, it's interesiting how fans of long-standing properties get upset when things re-tread things, and claim to want something new, but then when they get something new, they're upset because it isn't what they're used to. You can also see this with some of the reactions to some of the new characters and ships in The Last Jedi. ("...I don't want another retread of the original trilogy...wahh that doesn't look Star Warsy enough.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    I'm watching this right now. So far I'm enjoying it, and I'll definitely stay with this. I like how alien they made they Kilngons, and the other aliens. The only thing I don't like is that there's a child actor who I think leaves something to be desired.

    As a side note, it's interesiting how fans of long-standing properties get upset when things re-tread things, and claim to want something new, but then when they get something new, they're upset because it isn't what they're used to.
    Of course. I'm used to seeing colorful characters. The characters in STD or not at all colorful. They are drag. The biggest difference is seeing things through the eyes of a non-captain for a change. Another change is the conflict among crew members. So far we have a Vulcan disobeying orders and then assaulting the captain. But she's still just a stale, boring Vulcan.
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    I believe the Vulcan is actually a human raised on Vulcan, by Sarek it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    They'll probably try to find a way to work in Khan and Edith Keeler too, Maybe a cameo by Gary Mitchell or a young General Chang.

    Why bother writing interesting and, erm, new characters?
    I want the Guardian to come back.
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