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    Anyone else watching the new season on Showtime? Just finished the first 4 that were posted at launch. Loving it sooooo much. First double-episode gave me the creeps. Any ideas what the glass case is about? I have a theory or two...

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    Come on, nobody here is watching the new season? I feel like it's en route to be a timeless mini series, though I can see it not catching on until after it's released in full on DVD or Netflix.

    How it addressed and resolved the season 2 cliffhanger has yet to be entirely seen, but what we have seen so far and the implications it offers are absolutely stomach churning terrifying.

    I wonder if dark cooper raped Audrey Horne in a coma and that's how we have that psycho asshole dude that's listed as a Horne in the credits.

    I also can't get over how freaky dark cooper is. Dale Cooper was such an iconic and incredible character that balanced immense skill and instinct and spiritual guidance with a relentless optimism and moral code and sort of childish sense of wonder- that seeing it portrayed by an evil doppelganger that maintains all of the skill and instinct and spiritual guidance, but replaces the rest with a sinister and maelovant hate, is just so incredibly GAHH.
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    Ok. Damn. Wish I knew about this earlier. So no ones watching because to get this season they do have to understand 90's series.

    Anyway, I won't do spoiler tags because f*ck it.

    @anticlimatic throw me a bone to bite on. Let's get this rolling
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Ok. Damn. Wish I knew about this earlier. So no ones watching because to get this season they do have to understand 90's series. Anyway, I won't do spoiler tags because f*ck it. @anticlimatic throw me a bone to bite on. Let's get this rolling
    Well halle-fuckin-lujah!

    Start me with the basics. What do you think of the new season compared to the 90s series? I didn't watch fire walk with me until a few episodes into the new season because by the time I finished the series I was too disappointed in the unresolved cliffhanger to care about any prequel. The one thing I took away from it was one of the most brief yet disturbing lines I've ever heard in a movie. After Laura figures out that it had been her father sneaking into her room at night both he and bob offer a response in sequence: "I thought you knew it was me; I didn't know you knew it was me." Dark freaky shit. I was also very surprised to see Chris isaak acting but he really seems to fit lynches music bill.

    I also wasn't really sure how the whole inhabiting spirit thing worked. I don't think it's necessarily like a complete possession, but more like an influence over someone's motives and behavior. What do you think?

    So much of the show feels very 90s gen X to me. I know lynch loves his 50s era Americanna, but I almost get the impression that he now holds a similar fondness for the 90s era too. Laura Dern, smoking, kids marrying young doing drugs and living in a trailer. Living for experiences, seldom erring on the side of caution. That evil Horne kid menacingly grabbing that young girl in the bar while her friends look on. Maybe it's just me.

    Also, I'm feeling really tense and wound up watching this series at this point- like I've been fucking for 50 minutes and really need to blow, but lynch keeps grabbing my balls and shaking his head. His long drawn out shots, the long drawn out wait before reintroducing Audrey (my fav female from the original), the long drawn out wait before bringing cooper back (though he's had his coffee and pie by this point at least- I miss his razor sharp intellect. I can't take the dougie stare anymore!). I feel like the lady in the car honking her car horn at the show right now- which I suppose may be deliberately saying something about my lack of patience. Creepiest scene I've seen in a long time.

    Last note- the recent reunion scene with bobby and his mother, calling back to the conversation major Briggs had with bobby about his happy future in the original series really choked me up. Loved major Briggs. I feel like if I had a spirit animal in the show it would be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post

    Start me with the basics. What do you think of the new season compared to the 90s series?
    Well, I enjoyed both but the 90's series was my introduction to Lynch. This time around, I'm much more familiar with his style. So certain things just aren't that strange anymore but I think the 2017 is more about connecting plot lines and giving some conclusiveness to the 90's series.

    I didn't watch fire walk with me until a few episodes into the new season because by the time I finished the series I was too disappointed in the unresolved cliffhanger to care about any prequel. The one thing I took away from it was one of the most brief yet disturbing lines I've ever heard in a movie. After Laura figures out that it had been her father sneaking into her room at night both he and bob offer a response in sequence: "I thought you knew it was me; I didn't know you knew it was me." Dark freaky shit.
    Fire Walk With Me is my least re-collective of his work. I need to watch it again but I do know a lot of the source material in it shows itself in 2017 series. "Blue Rose" for one.


    I was also very surprised to see Chris isaak acting but he really seems to fit lynches music bill.
    He's great. His defunct Showtime show was pretty good too.



    I also wasn't really sure how the whole inhabiting spirit thing worked. I don't think it's necessarily like a complete possession, but more like an influence over someone's motives and behavior. What do you think?
    Okay. "Fire Walk With Me" is an invitation to be influenced by evil or to connect to it. BOB is representative of evil. Same with the Black Lodge. Fear opens the Black Lodge. Don't know if you remember but Lara's dad described meeting BOB in the woods behind his house as a young boy and he invited him to play with him. "Fire Walk With Me". This is bad juju. If someone is talking about Fire, in TP world, it's indicative of something ominous. Owls also signify this negative energy and are the "eyes" of evil. Also, "Laura is the one", Laura is the only one besides her mother than can actually see BOB. Everyone else, sees who he is possessing. Laura has a power to discern evil.

    It can be full blown possession but only by invitation or corruption. Also, there are dopplegangers. Cooper has one. Laura has one. These reside in the Red Room of the Black Lodge. The room with red curtains, checkered floor where backward speak happens. Time is slowed here. Also, we know time in here is different than out in the world and we find out information slowly through the series but as a viewer we don't really know when these things are happening in the Red Room until Lynch lets us know where they belong in the outside narrative. Puzzle pieces filling in gaps.

    Cooper's doppleganger escaped, inhabited by BOB - leaving Cooper in the Black Lodge for 25 years.

    Now, this is not good. Little Man in the vision while in the Red Room was warning Dougie (Real Cooper) that one of them has to die because this happened. "Don't Die". While Big C was out he formulated plans to never have to return to the Black Lodge, setting up the body of Dougie as a decoy. Notice the ring on Dougie's hand? It's important. I'm just not sure how but Laura had the same ring. Also, you are aware of what creamed corn represents in Lynch land. It's called Garmonbozia (pain and sorrow). It's what the demonic entities of the Black Lodge feasts upon and is visually represented by ....creamed corn. LOL. Big C threw this up after entering through the car lighter and thus people who knew Cooper could now see, this person wasn't Cooper. He lost some power.

    Dougie (now real Cooper) threw this up after coming out of the socket. Purging what was absorbed from the Black Lodge? Hmm..


    Pretty sure that the Pendrecki Threnody episode is BOB's origin story. We then see Lara's spirit in the form of that golden globe thing enter the Earth not long after. Released by the Giant in the blaring alarm room.
    That was new, which is why I loved that episode because it really did explain a lot about BOB and/or what he represents and Laura's relation to it in broader dynamics.

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    Still not sure what the monster in the glass case is. Was that a trap set for Cooper once he escaped from the Black Void? Not sure....


    So much of the show feels very 90s gen X to me. I know lynch loves his 50s era Americanna, but I almost get the impression that he now holds a similar fondness for the 90s era too. Laura Dern, smoking, kids marrying young doing drugs and living in a trailer. Living for experiences, seldom erring on the side of caution. That evil Horne kid menacingly grabbing that young girl in the bar while her friends look on. Maybe it's just me.
    Yes. He does. Lynch comes from a small town himself. You can tell he still holds familiar good/bad archetypes as sentimental icons. You notice he always shows police and military is helper roles. They are heros. Only one I think he's not treated well, is the sloppy cop who turned traitor and intercepted mail and ate his lunch where he wasn't supposed to.

    Also, I'm feeling really tense and wound up watching this series at this point- like I've been fucking for 50 minutes and really need to blow, but lynch keeps grabbing my balls and shaking his head. His long drawn out shots, the long drawn out wait before reintroducing Audrey (my fav female from the original), the long drawn out wait before bringing cooper back (though he's had his coffee and pie by this point at least- I miss his razor sharp intellect. I can't take the dougie stare anymore!). I feel like the lady in the car honking her car horn at the show right now- which I suppose may be deliberately saying something about my lack of patience. Creepiest scene I've seen in a long time.
    I'm not sure if Dougie will "wake up". He's had his coffee and now...PIE....what else did he enjoy? I'm thinking he needs to be back in Twin Peaks, near the Lodges to wake up. Again, not sure.

    Last note- the recent reunion scene with bobby and his mother, calling back to the conversation major Briggs had with bobby about his happy future in the original series really choked me up. Loved major Briggs. I feel like if I had a spirit animal in the show it would be him.
    I loved Major Briggs to. The dinner scene with Bobby in the original was great. Good laughs. As far as I know, Major Briggs is the only character known to have been in the White Lodge. Love opens the white lodge.

    Gotta run...I'll post some more thoughts later...
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    @anticlimactic


    Any thoughts on what/who the dark men, lumberjack fellas are and what's with the exploding heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    @anticlimactic Any thoughts on what/who the dark men, lumberjack fellas are and what's with the exploding heads?
    I have a single theory on the "woodsmen" as they're called in the credits. I think they're both negative energy/electricity personified and kind of low level acolytes for the more advanced beings- like that glass box monster which I'm prettty sure was the same thing or kind of thing that puked bob into existence. Did you happen to see this video?:



    Im not sure what all is going on with cooper in this sequence of events here, perhaps you can shed some light on the situation. But I wonder if that's the white lodge that cooper stops off at before going through the outlet into dougie, and I wonder if that monster follows him to the white lodge. The first scene of the new series the giant tells cooper that "its in our house now," and I also wonder if that is a flash forward scene- a dream cooper has after getting his sense back, about what happened when he left the black lodge. Maybe that box just sends things that leave the black lodge into the white lodge. Might explain why dark coop was kind of in on the device. Anyway, the woodsmen:

    I feel like they are less beings than they are a kind of medium or biproduct of other beings. Some of them seem sentient, like the "got a light?" Guy, but my very first impression of them was that they were more like particles or bursts of energy. That initial scene of the convenience store in the flashback reminded me of an attempt at rendering flickering electronics in the Hollywood spirit. Like a malfunctioning light in a horror or suspense scene. And if you consider the atomic blast as their origin, perhaps they are like the radiation whereas bob and bobs mother and such are like the shockwave. I'm not sure.

    My theory doesnt have much official shape to it, but that's the best my brain can do with the input so far. What do you think?
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    I'm glad to finally see this thread. I've been watching it, and I've been having a difficult time finding anyone else watching to discuss it with. The people I know irl who are fans haven't started watching the new season yet. I like this new season even more than the original seasons so far, so yeah, glad to find this thread.

    (Spoilers below, not hiding).

    I'm going to post a few thoughts before reading the above posts.

    I love what Lynch has done with Cooper. Evil Cooper is seriously creepy. And though I think Good Cooper's Chauncey Gardiner phase* has been interesting, I think he either needs to snap out of it soon (it's getting tired) or it needs to morph into something else. Neither coffee nor cherry pie have woken him - any guesses about what it'll be? I'm guessing Diane. Or some Deus Ex Machina style Black Lodge event. I'm hoping it's the latter - but one that resonates as part of universal experience (in the way that Lynch is so good at tapping into abstractly) instead of just a pile of abstract woooOOOoooo.

    Oh! Eta: I love the way characters interact with Good Cooper as if they barely notice anything is wrong/different with "Dougie". Especially the wife - Watts is excellent. It gives the show that ultra-mediocre edge (caricatures of the aburdness in mediocrity) the original series had.

    Back in episode 2 (maybe 3?), when Good Cooper was still trapped in Black Lodge (but on his way out), when he landed in that little room with the Asian lady - did anyone else wonder if that was Josey? (Because back in the original series, it was implied that she went to the Black Lodge).



    *Chauncey Gardiner is Peter Sellers' character in Being There. Good Cooper very much reminds me of him. The movie is (iirc) based on Heidegger's writing about phenomenology - the character Chance the gardener (whose name Shirley MacLaine's character mishears as "Chauncey Gardiner") is a guy who perceives the world through very phenomenological lenses, like a big infant who can walk and speak but who can't think like an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    I have a single theory on the "woodsmen" as they're called in the credits. I think they're both negative energy/electricity personified and kind of low level acolytes for the more advanced beings- like that glass box monster which I'm prettty sure was the same thing or kind of thing that puked bob into existence. Did you happen to see this video?:


    I haven't seen it but it makes more sense as to what is happening in linear time rather than what Lynch chops up. So, that monster resides in the purple room with the blind woman. @Z Buck McFate (yay another fan) I thought it was Josie too, since she was trapped in the wooden nightstand but the credits show her listed as "American girl" and I googled and the same actress that played Ronette in the 90's series plays her. Not sure if it's supposed to be Ronette or he is using the actress in another different role.



    Im not sure what all is going on with cooper in this sequence of events here, perhaps you can shed some light on the situation. But I wonder if that's the white lodge that cooper stops off at before going through the outlet into dougie, and I wonder if that monster follows him to the white lodge. The first scene of the new series the giant tells cooper that "its in our house now," and I also wonder if that is a flash forward scene- a dream cooper has after getting his sense back, about what happened when he left the black lodge. Maybe that box just sends things that leave the black lodge into the white lodge. Might explain why dark coop was kind of in on the device. Anyway, the I woodsmen:
    There is a theory that the White Lodge is slowly being devoured by the Black Lodge, so it's in our house now could be accurate. I'm also wondering if that deep space is called "The Zone" that we keep hearing about but Briggs head floated by and that's the last place that we know he was spotted (through Hastings words). Since Cooper was possessed by BOB in the last episode of the 90's series, I wonder if he met with Briggs and foul play came to Briggs via Mr. C? I also remember the FBI data transmission from "deep space" that said THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY APPEAR and COOPER, COOPER. Meaning: Two coopers and maybe a warning from the future to the past that the real Cooper would be compromised?



    I feel like they are less beings than they are a kind of medium or biproduct of other beings. Some of them seem sentient, like the "got a light?" Guy, but my very first impression of them was that they were more like particles or bursts of energy. That initial scene of the convenience store in the flashback reminded me of an attempt at rendering flickering electronics in the Hollywood spirit. Like a malfunctioning light in a horror or suspense scene. And if you consider the atomic blast as their origin, perhaps they are like the radiation whereas bob and bobs mother and such are like the shockwave. I'm not sure.
    I like that idea a lot. Electricity is front and center and seems to be a spiritual conduit between dimensions. Something else I like, Lynch always uses red and blue and I read once that when you see red it denotes a inhibition of logic (Dougie's red door...) and when you see blue it's "seeing how things really are". He also uses them in other ways but it's one of my favorite things about his visual aesthetic. The mother and blind girl were in a purple room. Red and blue make purple. Dr. Jacoby's on-air persona is named DR. AMP (electricity, again) and has each a red AND blue lense in his glasses....I just notice those things but I don't Lynch has any big meaning behind it other than as a head nod to overall mood or subtext.

    The woodsman was saying, "gotta light?" could be electricity? Maybe he wanted to open the Black Lodge by absorbing light/energy from those head crushed victims? When he went on air....and repeated the creepiest phrase of all time, everyone listening was in a trance and receptive to it. Since that was the birth of BOB, it could be Lynch saying that the atom bomb was a turning point in humanity that brokered something more sinister into the world. Who knows. I read that last part somewhere and I liked it.


    I think you might be on to something that the black soot men are entities. When Mr. C got shot they surrounded him and removed the BOB entity from him, but he survived. So Mr. C no longer has BOB with him. Where is BOB going?? Something to think about...

    But now the Doppleganger is weakened, I think.





    My theory doesnt have much official shape to it, but that's the best my brain can do with the input so far. What do you think?
    Seems fine to me! Also, I'm hoping we see inside Agent Cooper's hotel room next episode.
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