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    Default Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - The Redemption of Yondu

    So we ordered VIP seats at a nearby theater and watched Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 today. The plot line was simple even for a comic book, but it's hard to mentally digest because of the constant activity. This is a movie that never "sleeps." Sure there were slow times, but those were mainly aimed at character background and development. For the most part, the main character did not develop. But the others moved a step forward in their spiritual journeys to whatever end their writers have in mind for them. It has a lot to do with family values. The Guardians consider each other members of a sort of family, while at the same time they each have issues with their real families of origin. In between action sequences there were periods of reminiscing and bringing forward awkward feelings that action heroes normally don't dwell on. Nebula and Gamora, who are sisters by blood but somehow their skin colors are different (I'm sure this is by design to symbolize the fact that they are feuding siblings), discuss their feelings in a somewhat smarmy fashion. Quite frankly, I found a lot of it to be rather corny. Rocket, the only character that has no family orientation, is the misunderstood character yet ironically the only character who can understand what Groot is saying. A bit is revealed about his true motivation as someone hiding his deeper feelings behind a tough-guy mask. Drax (played by Dave Bautista) seems to be the naive brute who simply drops funny lines and has no need for character development.

    As for Yondu, who is not a Guardian but more of a villainous type, shows another side to his personality and makes it possible for this series to continue on to a third installment.

    I rather liked the movie, although my wife fell asleep on my shoulder a couple times. I think she wanted to see Baby Groot more than anything else, just as she watches Lord of the Rings simply to see Gollum and has no interest in the story itself. I don't care for all the action as I am INTP-interested in more mythical subjects. One of my favorite all-time movies is the 1974 Academy award-nominated "The Conversation" starring Gene Hackman along with the first appearance of Harrison Ford who plays a tough guy with a few quiet lines to speak. All in all, it is a very quiet movie about an introverted detective who becomes embroiled in a murder plot, but he mistakes the true murderer as someone else. This was due to an assumption he made while playing back an audio tape created while he was spying on a couple walking around. It's a natural, human mistake to make because they seemed so young and innocent. There is a lot of psychology involved.

    So Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 was not my type of movie. But I rather enjoyed the first installment and I will be sure to catch the third one whenever it comes out.
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    I also found that there were a lot of recycled bits of action from other movies from the genre. There were bits from Star Trek (the reboot part 2), Star Wars (especially part 5), and other things that I don't remember off-hand, but which kept popping up in my mind to keep things interesting while watching dumb action.
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    I saw it earlier today and enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed the first installment. I'm glad they didn't obsess about Baby Groot once they got past the opening, the cuteness factor was a little too much. Rocket got to show us what he could do, while defending the ship. Gamora feels like a den mother trapped overseeing a bad of miscreant boys. Drax is my least favorite; a little bit of him goes a long way, he's kind of a one-note joke.

    I'm still at a loss for people who go to see Marvel Universe movies who don't enjoy or dismiss the action sequences. I mean, that's what they are, generally. I appreciated more understanding of Nebula's intentions and motivations; not a lot had to be articulated to "get it," her emotional state and attitudes conveyed more than the words.

    Yondu got to shine here. Sometimes Michael Rooker can be dropped in a movie to play this particular type of character (and he's good at it)... but for his gruffness/roughness, he can deliver a lot of meaning. The movie did resolve some questions I had about Quill and Yondu from the first movie, when I suspected he could be Quill's father.

    ...and....
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    I actually enjoyed it more than the first one. I was expecting to like the first one much more than they did. The first one seemed from the previews like it would be a quirky, off-beat variation on Star Wars, and it was, but perhaps not to the extent I would have liked. This one kind of took everything further and went to the extra level that I really wanted the first one to get to. There was also a lot of weird, crazy production design that I really want in a movie like this, and I feel like it's unfortunate that a lot of movies within the past 10 years try to dial that stuff down to make it more "realistic"; that gonzo element is part of what I love about genre pictures. Plus I found myself kind of surprised by the various twists and everything (although it probably wouldn't have been if I've known more about comics), and I always enjoy when something like that still manages to take me by surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    I saw it earlier today and enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed the first installment. I'm glad they didn't obsess about Baby Groot once they got past the opening, the cuteness factor was a little too much. Rocket got to show us what he could do, while defending the ship. Gamora feels like a den mother trapped overseeing a bad of miscreant boys. Drax is my least favorite; a little bit of him goes a long way, he's kind of a one-note joke.

    I'm still at a loss for people who go to see Marvel Universe movies who don't enjoy or dismiss the action sequences. I mean, that's what they are, generally. I appreciated more understanding of Nebula's intentions and motivations; not a lot had to be articulated to "get it," her emotional state and attitudes conveyed more than the words.

    Yondu got to shine here. Sometimes Michael Rooker can be dropped in a movie to play this particular type of character (and he's good at it)... but for his gruffness/roughness, he can deliver a lot of meaning. The movie did resolve some questions I had about Quill and Yondu from the first movie, when I suspected he could be Quill's father.

    ...and....
    Thank you for the clue in the spoiler. I don't know anything about Marvel characters so that completely slipped by me. As for not enjoying action, I do enjoy action, just not beginning-to-end action of a very blunt nature. Subtlety is more mind expanding. On the other hand, I enjoy the characters in Guardians. That's really what keeps me watching. In the long run I was subconsciously hoping for some kind of inspiring moment, but nothing like that happened. My deeper motivation for watching movies or reading books lies in being inspired, or pleasantly shocked, or something along those lines. I like it when something unexpected breaks through to consciousness like that. Very few things are capable of that, for example, Stephen R. Donaldson has that capability with me.
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    'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2' Review: Surprising Performances Save A Sputtering Sequel

    Just a random review I ran across this morning. I thought it was spot on, especially this:
    "Average fans will forgive the thin plot line because they’ll still be guffawing over a line Rocket just yelled. The musical selections are so perfect that one can’t help but wonder if Gunn picked what songs were going to be on the soundtrack before he even wrote the screenplay. If you plan on going this weekend, don’t expect the same brilliance of the original film. That’s just a standard this film has no chance of reaching."

    I certainly did enjoy the 70s musical selections. It turned out that the opening theme, which was Brandi by Looking Glass, was more than just a song but had internal meaning to the movie and to Peter's life.

    I agree with the review's summing-up of this movie. The plot line was thin gruel, something to hang the family values theme on. Each character (except for Drax) has a background and an arc, so that makes up for the thin plot line. There is some depth despite it being a light-weight action movie. The humor makes up for a lot of what the movie lacks, although I did find a lot of it to be cornball humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    I actually enjoyed it more than the first one. I was expecting to like the first one much more than they did. The first one seemed from the previews like it would be a quirky, off-beat variation on Star Wars, and it was, but perhaps not to the extent I would have liked. This one kind of took everything further and went to the extra level that I really wanted the first one to get to. There was also a lot of weird, crazy production design that I really want in a movie like this, and I feel like it's unfortunate that a lot of movies within the past 10 years try to dial that stuff down to make it more "realistic"; that gonzo element is part of what I love about genre pictures. Plus I found myself kind of surprised by the various twists and everything (although it probably wouldn't have been if I've known more about comics), and I always enjoy when something like that still manages to take me by surprise.
    It definitely had interesting production design, and when they bounce around from location to location, it gives them some opportunity to explore and try out some new things that might otherwise be throwaway. The Ego planet was particularly lovely in terms of colors, and the intricate filigree/detail of the buildings was incredible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Thank you for the clue in the spoiler. I don't know anything about Marvel characters so that completely slipped by me. As for not enjoying action, I do enjoy action, just not beginning-to-end action of a very blunt nature. Subtlety is more mind expanding. On the other hand, I enjoy the characters in Guardians. That's really what keeps me watching. In the long run I was subconsciously hoping for some kind of inspiring moment, but nothing like that happened. My deeper motivation for watching movies or reading books lies in being inspired, or pleasantly shocked, or something along those lines. I like it when something unexpected breaks through to consciousness like that. Very few things are capable of that, for example, Stephen R. Donaldson has that capability with me.
    Donaldson has been good for transcendent philosophical thinking... maybe my first actual experience with existentialism since I read the original series when I was about twelve, and I was raised with a rural Christian background (Mennonites and Church of the Brethren and all). I am trying to get through the last series now, but i keep getting sidetracked, and the books are just monsters. (Altogether it's probably 2000+ pages in hardback format... twice as long as Stephen King's "It".) It's one of those works that I tend to learn something / think of something new upon every reread.

    As a side note, I don't think his works translate easily into cinema, at least not into the "general market blockbuster" market where studios want these stories to be in order to market to the most people and peddle their merchandising. it probably would benefit from a more arthouse approach, yet those budgets probably aren't high enough for special effects. Donaldson is so uniquely him that the movies would have to be dark to be effective, and of course you get an antihero in book 1 who most conventional audiences probably can't identify with after some things he does. if anything ever got produced it probably wouldn't be "Donaldson." Hell, they couldn't even produce a Shannara that was true to the books, and Terry Brooks is much more conventional fantasy fare.

    ... Back to Guardians, I don't know the Guardians mythos particularly well (I just know Thanos and Ego and others), but the assortment of Ravagers at the end were possibly earlier members of the Guardians?

    Also, I agree that a big part of the pull is the humor + the characters. I just like the characters and enjoy spending time with them regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    It definitely had interesting production design, and when they bounce around from location to location, it gives them some opportunity to explore and try out some new things that might otherwise be throwaway. The Ego planet was particularly lovely in terms of colors, and the intricate filigree/detail of the buildings was incredible.



    Donaldson has been good for transcendent philosophical thinking... maybe my first actual experience with existentialism since I read the original series when I was about twelve, and I was raised with a rural Christian background (Mennonites and Church of the Brethren and all). I am trying to get through the last series now, but i keep getting sidetracked, and the books are just monsters. (Altogether it's probably 2000+ pages in hardback format... twice as long as Stephen King's "It".) It's one of those works that I tend to learn something / think of something new upon every reread.

    As a side note, I don't think his works translate easily into cinema, at least not into the "general market blockbuster" market where studios want these stories to be in order to market to the most people and peddle their merchandising. it probably would benefit from a more arthouse approach, yet those budgets probably aren't high enough for special effects. Donaldson is so uniquely him that the movies would have to be dark to be effective, and of course you get an antihero in book 1 who most conventional audiences probably can't identify with after some things he does. if anything ever got produced it probably wouldn't be "Donaldson." Hell, they couldn't even produce a Shannara that was true to the books, and Terry Brooks is much more conventional fantasy fare.

    ... Back to Guardians, I don't know the Guardians mythos particularly well (I just know Thanos and Ego and others), but the assortment of Ravagers at the end were possibly earlier members of the Guardians?

    Also, I agree that a big part of the pull is the humor + the characters. I just like the characters and enjoy spending time with them regardless.
    I noticed while watching Guardians that "Penis" was a major plot point throughout the movie. And just now I recognized the connection between that and the main character's first name.
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    I saw it last Wednesday and I did enjoy it. What appeals to me really, really much is the soundtrack. Definitely an "Awesome Mix".

    Wished for subtitles when Sly was on screen though, either my hearing is getting worse or his ability to talk is.

    No character had too much focus on them, they're stronger as a team. Kurt Russell was great. The theme of family runs deep through the film, and moreso the importance of having family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    I saw it last Wednesday and I did enjoy it. What appeals to me really, really much is the soundtrack. Definitely an "Awesome Mix".

    Wished for subtitles when Sly was on screen though, either my hearing is getting worse or his ability to talk is.

    No character had too much focus on them, they're stronger as a team. Kurt Russell was great. The theme of family runs deep through the film, and moreso the importance of having family.
    I had a lot of trouble understanding what Stallone was saying too. He needs to enunciate a bit better. I did find a few Quotes online (like in IMDB) that helped clarify what he said to Yondu or at the end of the film.

    We were talking about what builds connection to characters over in the Wonder Woman thread, and I mentioned that Guardians managed to have characters who are strong/competent, yet also each suffering some kind of vulnerability/wound, and it's very easy to see and empathize with. They're not emo (aside from a few comedic moments), they each have some kind of serious loss or unresolved desire they are dealing with. But it's one reason why this series has been successful (along with the humor).

    Obviously spoilers abound here, since I will talk about Peter, Nebula, and Drax in detail based on the plot:

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