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    Default Zombie Movie Twists: "Maggie"

    The market is saturated with zombie flicks, although occasionally one comes along that was unexpected either due to tone or approach (e.g, "Warm Bodies" AKA Romeo & Juliet as a zombie movie).

    Here's another that I just heard of. Apparently the script was also on the infamous Blacklist in 2011 and got picked up. Now it's become a vehicle for the big Ah-nold himself... so I'm totally unclear how it'll pan out. But... still sounds interesting.

    ... when [Lionsgate] buys a movie for distribution, they will pull it from festivals so that no one can see it. I'm frustrated with them right now over the film "Maggie," which was announced as part of the line-up for the 2014 edition of the Toronto International Film Festival.

    I'm trying to remember if there's ever been another Arnold Schwarzenegger film that's played a festival. I don't think so. This was a lovely surprise when it was announced. I don't know director Henry Hobson at all, and the same is true of John Scott, the film's writer. I like the premise, though. A man whose daughter has been bitten and is turning into a zombie decides that he's going to protect her, no matter what. When you cast Arnold Schwarzenegger in that role and you have him play it looking like he actually does now, embracing the age, that's a big choice. That's potentially very cool...
    IOW, you've got Arnold fighting off other human survivors trying to kill his zombie-fying daughter. Who do you root for? Hell if i know. (Okay, fine: Arnold, of course. Until she bites him. Although maybe then too.)

    The film is on demand and in theaters apparently around May 8.

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/schwarzen...124000658.html
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    Forgot I started a thread with this.

    FIOS actually is showing this simultaneously with theaters (like they did with The Babadook), so I watched it last night. I have mixed feelings. It's flawed in some ways, and yet I actually still like it a lot.

    The movie itself feels more "arthousy" than big-budget, in both the look and the sounds of it. The "zombie" motif is really about flavor, the themes are more broad -- "how do families deal with terminally ill kids who can prove a threat to the rest of the family as the disease progresses" -- versus movies that have been labeled as "zombie flicks." The move is really focused tightly on Maggie (the girl) and Wade (her father) and their relationship and manages to evoke sympathy and connection with those two characters despite the fact we never really learn much about "who they are" per se.

    The movie, unlike a typical "zombie" movie, is also on a slow burn. VERY slow. Maggie slowly changes over the course of the movie and there are very few traditional "kill the zombie" shots in the movie; in fact, other humans are more threatening because the cops are balancing the need for family privacy versus community safety. If Wade falls afoul of anyone who don't like him keeping his daughter out of quarantine, it could easily be other people.

    With Arnold Swarzenegger, they took a lesson here from the Keanu Reeves' vehicle "John Wick" -- where dialogue is concerned, less is more, because both Keanu and Arnold tend to deep-six a script if they have to talk too much. Accordingly, there's only 2-3 clumsy bits by Arnold here, and they all involve him having to deliver more than one short sentence at a time. Otherwise, when all he's doing is offering facial expressions, the directing is smart enough to shoot him in ways that lift what little natural performance he has to offer and he does decently with hit (more than you'd expect). This is easily Arnold's most introspective and pensive role, and while he's the weakest member of the cast in some respects, the movie itself lifts his performance to something almost interesting (which is high praise for an actor who has been built a career mainly just being himself on camera).

    ... and of course Abigail Breslin, who does a really nice job with her role as a girl who is changing day by day, and both has to hold things together and be strong, while also being terrified and just wanting someone to lean on. She's easily the most talented actor in the movie (and one of the few things M. Night Shyamalan did right -- her first role, at age 5, was in Signs). The movie highlights how isolating a disease like this would be, especially when it juxtaposes the love a family has for one of its members with the reality that the loved one is eventually a threat... and this is played out in various examples in the movie.

    I think the rural/small-town setting also allowed the movie to exist; in a big city, the cops would just throw all the infected in a prison and let them wipe each other out. Here, that "small town" feel ends up respecting the individual ... and the wide spaces between homes allows for the possibility of privacy as well as reducing the threat of a zombie explosion in an urban setting. So the town cops are more lenient in allowing families to look after their loved ones... but only up to a certain degree.

    Discussion of the ending (don't read unless you've seen the movie or don't care):
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    This one looks pretty good. Looks like Arnold is going through his "copland" phase.

    Otherwise, as a zombie film lover, I think an immediate 10 year moratorium on new zombie films might be a good thing.

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    Personally, I still find this to be Arnold's best




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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcrash View Post
    Otherwise, as a zombie film lover, I think an immediate 10 year moratorium on new zombie films might be a good thing.
    I do think the vampire / zombie flicks have kind of burned themselves out at this point. (Although I did appreciate this movie and Warm Bodies as interesting twists on the theme, even if they probably won't ever make the National Film Registry.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I do think the vampire / zombie flicks have kind of burned themselves out at this point. (Although I did appreciate this movie and Warm Bodies as interesting twists on the theme, even if they probably won't ever make the National Film Registry.)
    Frankly, I want a movie about ghouls. Ghouls are a spooky monster that American cinema has barely scraped the surface on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Frankly, I want a movie about ghouls. Ghouls are a spooky monster that American cinema has barely scraped the surface on.
    What are the specifics of ghouls that you think would help distinguish them from zombies in a movie? (I'm familiar with D&D ghouls.) A lot of the supernatural critters can overlap in appearance and/or function, so it can be difficult to cleanly separate them.

    Moving sideways, "I, Frankenstein" didn't go over well in the theater. I could only watch about ten minutes of that piece of crap at home before I watched something else.

    Let's swipe more stuff from NWoD to make a movie!

    --

    I'm a big fan of ghosts, but more of when they seem human but do creepy/unpredictable stuff that highlights how they are no longer human and/or are driven by other instincts. I really like the girl under the bed in "Sixth Sense," for example -- there's a non-blinking hollow look of compulsion there that I've seen in a few other ghost pics. Even the ghost in the tower in Deathly Hallows Part 2 was pretty eerie in how she's seem briefly accessible and then could erupt in anger.

    Anyway, all supernaturals tend to fall into broad categories that have generally been explored...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What are the specifics of ghouls that you think would help distinguish them from zombies in a movie? (I'm familiar with D&D ghouls.) A lot of the supernatural critters can overlap in appearance and/or function, so it can be difficult to cleanly separate them.

    Ghouls are clearly different.

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    A ghoul is a folkloric monster or evil spirit associated with graveyards and consuming human flesh, often classified as undead. The oldest surviving literature that mention ghouls is likely One Thousand and One Nights.[1] The term was first used in English literature in 1786, in William Beckford's Orientalist novel Vathek,[2] which describes the ghūl of Arabian folklore.
    See, it's totally different.

    I suppose that the term Ghola in Dune Messiah is a reference to ghouls. The word's probably etymologically connected. So, maybe if David Lynch's Dune was successful, we would have a movie about ghouls.

    We do have ghouls to thank for the name of a Batman villain (Ras-Al-Ghul, the Demon's Head), and Algol, the Demon Star, so named because it's a variable star in the constellation Perseus thought to represent the eye of Medusa. Ghouls have contributed that, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Ghouls are clearly different.

    See, it's totally different.

    I suppose that the term Ghola in Dune Messiah is a reference to ghouls. The word's probably etymologically connected. So, maybe if David Lynch's Dune was successful, we would have a movie about ghouls.

    We do have ghouls to thank for the name of a Batman villain (Ras-Al-Ghul, the Demon's Head), and Algol, the Demon Star, so named because it's a variable star in the constellation Perseus thought to represent the eye of Medusa.
    But I'm asking in terms of visual presentation in a movie.

    So a bunch of undead critters go eat... things that are already dead. Would a bunch of movie-goers used to seeing fast zombies (28 Days Later) chase the living find it even interesting to see more undead shit that look like dead critters eating... dead people?

    Visually, it's not much different... and even less interesting.

    I did llike the X-Files episode about Donnie whassisname who was into necrophilia, and how they did a kind of "overlay" on him to suggest he was really a ghoul in human form, although I think it was more allegorical and reflecting the state of his soul.
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    The first time I heard of ghouls was when I was a kid and playing the game Quest for Glory 2. This is what they looked like there:



    Actually looked more like a skeleton lol.

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