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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah. That's what I thought too. Finally, a director who would focus more on the intangibles rather than obsessing over the more superficial elements of King's work.

    The whole thing might be shelved for the meanwhile.

    I wonder how much the budget was off. I bet King could have paid for it out of pocket, lol.

    And sure, maybe the Poltergeist remake's lack of box-office oomph scared them... but if you make a decent movie, you typically get something out of it. I'm tired of all the hack-job remakes nowadays. (Point Blank?? really?? A remake??) Did Poltergeist need a remake? Not really... It's like making a copy of a copy.

    The King adaptations that have done the best have either been so surreal that they're creepy in their own right (like Kubrick's "The Shining"), or Darabont's work where he actually manages to capture the positive end of King's works which allows any darkness to play better. All the failures usually just stem from people caught up in the superficial elements. IT is really a beautiful book, when you contrast the high moments against the dark.
    YES, EXACTLY!

    Anyway, I hope the budget stuff gets worked out with Fukunaga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windoverlake View Post
    YES, EXACTLY!
    I was just watching the beginning of "The Dead Zone" last night on Netflix. I like David Cronenberg. I like Christopher Walken. But I'm simultaneously reading The Dead Zone, and what I hate is that King has this guy who is more like a kind-hearted but tragic figure; he renders Johnny so well before the accident, and how he and Sarah were just starting to really fall in love with each other after some heart-ache she had suffered -- she was warming up to Johnny and felt like her life was finally starting to heal -- and then there was an accident that was just about two teens drag-racing, and Johnny was in a cab. The movie throws out just about everything and you lose the human element of Johnny -- you just get thrown into the psychic stuff and Johnny just seems kind of weird and cold/distant to start with. I think King's take is more poignant, you have a guy who is kind of quirky-funny, and casual, and just kind of sweet who is then isolated by his accident and gifts, which will of course make a great contrast with the climax of the story.

    In this case, it could just be a problem with having to pack a book into two hours. But it's sad. Much of the time, watching a King movie is telling you nothing about King's actual writing.

    Anyway, I hope the budget stuff gets worked out with Fukunaga.
    Me too. That article suggests maybe the studio can opt to renegotiate. (Which apparently has happened in the past.) It would be a shame to not have this attempt made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I was just watching the beginning of "The Dead Zone" last night on Netflix. I like David Cronenberg. I like Christopher Walken. But I'm simultaneously reading The Dead Zone, and what I hate is that King has this guy who is more like a kind-hearted but tragic figure; he renders Johnny so well before the accident, and how he and Sarah were just starting to really fall in love with each other after some heart-ache she had suffered -- she was warming up to Johnny and felt like her life was finally starting to heal -- and then there was an accident that was just about two teens drag-racing, and Johnny was in a cab. The movie throws out just about everything and you lose the human element of Johnny -- you just get thrown into the psychic stuff and Johnny just seems kind of weird and cold/distant to start with. I think King's take is more poignant, you have a guy who is kind of quirky-funny, and casual, and just kind of sweet who is then isolated by his accident and gifts, which will of course make a great contrast with the climax of the story.

    In this case, it could just be a problem with having to pack a book into two hours. But it's sad. Much of the time, watching a King movie is telling you nothing about King's actual writing.
    King is so different on the page. It wasn't until I actually read King that I began to see how caricatured his works is on film.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Me too. That article suggests maybe the studio can opt to renegotiate. (Which apparently has happened in the past.) It would be a shame to not have this attempt made.
    I agree. I wonder if perhaps they're just shocked with Fukunaga's budget, because his reputation is still relatively linked to independent, smaller-scale productions. Maybe once they cool down a bit and sit with the numbers they'll realise the idea is good and get it back on track.

    On a deeper level, though, I really want this to get back on, because if it's not Fukunaga's script they're going to go dumb again and make, like you said, "a copy of a copy". And one of the major reasons he got the IT gig had to have been because of TRUE DETECTIVE, which was unrelentingly moody and introspective. Fukunaga is versatile and competent, and certainly not a one-trick pony. Beyond the success of TD, I don't think Hollywood "gets" him yet.
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    Well, Fukunaga does have a few other irons in the fire, but from what I was reading this has been a labor of love for him -- he's put in a lot of time of this, it's his "dream project" -- and King is supportive of his efforts. So I'm hoping the studio comes around.

    yeah, they could make a mistake; at the same time, this could be a huge payoff for them. I mean, Darabont didn't have much more of a track record either -- he had directed a short film and a TV film, and had worked as a writer on "The Fly II" and "The Blob" remake and "Elm Street 3" for goodness sake... and then he pulls "The Shawshank Redemption" (a minor property of Kings, it's a 100-page novella with no real horror elements, even if it is one of his most beautiful pieces of writing) out of his bumm and knocks it out of the park ... it's still No.1 on the IMDB 250 List.

    Why did Shawshank work? It's probably one of the closest-to-text renditions of a King story I've seen (including the ending). And it's appealing across genres. But still... if you can take "IT" and give it some character depth so that the people are relating first as a human drama, THEN layer in the horror elements... you've now expanded your audience based AND you've created something that isn't just about Cheap Shock of the Week. I just really love the characters, and the whole parallel story between them as kids and then repeated as adults is so evocative. (Including IT being a historical horror -- he's on a continuing feeding cycle and has been for a long time. In a sense, Derry is just one big haunted house with a recurring ghost.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Why did Shawshank work? It's probably one of the closest-to-text renditions of a King story I've seen (including the ending). And it's appealing across genres. But still... if you can take "IT" and give it some character depth so that the people are relating first as a human drama, THEN layer in the horror elements... you've now expanded your audience based AND you've created something that isn't just about Cheap Shock of the Week. I just really love the characters, and the whole parallel story between them as kids and then repeated as adults is so evocative. (Including IT being a historical horror -- he's on a continuing feeding cycle and has been for a long time. In a sense, Derry is just one big haunted house with a recurring ghost.)
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    It is my favorite King book. I loved everything about it. I really can't wait for the remake to come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fun in the Sun View Post
    It is my favorite King book. I loved everything about it. I really can't wait for the remake to come out.
    Yeah, it's actually my favorite too (followed closely by the Stand, and some of his other early stuff). I remember the first time I read it -- during finals week at college and during the three-hour car ride home. (It had just come out that fall. I guess that dates me, huh? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, it's actually my favorite too (followed closely by the Stand, and some of his other early stuff). I remember the first time I read it -- during finals week at college and during the three-hour car ride home. (It had just come out that fall. I guess that dates me, huh? )
    Yeah, It was a Lovecraftian Nightmare. Read it when I was twelve and reread it when I was thirty, kind of like the characters in the plot. Loved the Stand too....and the Shining, Salem's Lot...God I love S.K.

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    Okay. Proof is in the pudding.

    IT is releasing on Sept 8 2017. My understanding it's part 1 of a duology, this one focused on the loser's club. I have watched the trailer. I like it, it actually captures the sense and scene-age from the book in a great way; I feel guardedly optimistic, even excited on some level while trying not to get my hopes up too high.



    I was disappointed when Cary Fukunaga left the project. However, I am a fan of Andrés Muschietti's "Mama" -- it does has its flaws but is visually provocative and moody and actually possesses some pathos as well, and might have been his first big budget movie. I know he has the vision to make this movie more than a bunch of gore and jump scares, he's going to go for the human story behind it. But still... kind of an untested director in terms of dealing with a big property.

    I carried some of those concerns here, his movie would succeed in part due to a strong script if he could get one in place. The source material is great, there's just so much of it... and you have to get it narrowed down to the core elements if you're only filming a four hour story from a 1100 page book.

    The trailer is very effective, though, and when I saw it, I was like, "Yeah. That's IT." Not necessarily just focusing on Pennywise, but the look and feel and pacing of the scenes. I'm hoping the trailer is representative of the actual release cut.

    The Wikipedia entry for the movie has some decent info in it:
    It (2017 film) - Wikipedia

    The movie effort will be rated R, thank god. It kind of needed to be, if it was to go where it needs to go.

    The kid playing Big Bill Denbrough isn't one I know well, but he was great in Midnight Special... he didn't necessarily say a ton but evoked his character well and had to do so against decent actors like Kirsten Dunst, Michael Shannon, and Joel Edgerton. So I think he can handle it. The kid playing Richie is Finn whassisname from Stranger THings.
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    That trailer looks pretty good! Kinda reminds me of Super 8, but darker. And with a clown.
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