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    I love that.

    It reminds me of how people think they can assuage guilt and responsibility for breaking others' hearts that they sleep with by saying as they are simultaneously seducing them, "You really shouldn't get involved with me, I don't want a relationship."

    Then the person's heart gets broken and they shrug their shoulders, throw their hands up and say, "I tried to warn em."

    I have known men and also women players. Both are vile.


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    I doubt I'll add any new thoughts here, but oh well.

    I don't think the movie stood up well in its own right. It seemed too rushed, like it didn't take the necessary steps to give weight to events, and the connections between points of the story seemed shoehorned. In a broader context, the film seemed far too derivative of its predecessors and had a lot of clumsy fan service kind of moments. I think the film has been overrated through an enduring and nostalgic affection for Star Wars as a whole franchise combined with a desire to bury the disgrace of the prequels. People ended up seeing the good movie they hoped it would be, more than the movie it actually was.

    And I do hate hearing that it was better than the prequels. That's so easy to do, and guarantees only such a bad film, that it's not even worth mentioning. The prequels were almost Battlefield Earth awful. Yes, I said that.

    In fairness, I never loved the original movies. They're not terrible, and historically I understand the significance of those films to cinema, the ground they broke. But they aren't good enough to me that I can let something slide for being just a copy of them.

    On that note, I've never liked a single thing JJ Abrams has done. I hate to see what franchise he gets his grubby hands on next.
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    Dis f1lm wuz a j0ke.

    Harr1sun forrrd tryin ta run. nd H4n n3va uzed chew's b0w b4?

    Currie fishface duzent d0 anee sp4ce cock-cane.

    Luuuke luks lik h3 s33n hiz pereents avin da sex. (Auusslo h3 luks lik h3 piss1n ova dat eye-land at de end. Wiv h1z bak 2 tha gurl, 2 muche ov da booze?).

    M4t P4rkmun frum Heroz iz da n3w purkins.

    Da yung c4st wur lik k1ds, knott cuz age butt bcuz actin. Dey gr1n l1ke dere g3ttin ah coff-eye n-eh-ma wuneva da o1d stff iz mentchuned. Eye gess w3 (da audeeancs) r supp0ossed 2 b doze morans? Fanks Abrums!

    Ah dunt 3vun l1ke stair warz, n0w I l1kes eet evun l3ss.

    ps: Kykunt Ren luks l1k te3n angsta Adrun Brody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Dis f1lm wuz a j0ke.

    Harr1sun forrrd tryin ta run. nd H4n n3va uzed chew's b0w b4?

    Currie fishface duzent d0 anee sp4ce cock-cane.

    Luuuke luks lik h3 s33n hiz pereents avin da sex. (Auusslo h3 luks lik h3 piss1n ova dat eye-land at de end. Wiv h1z bak 2 tha gurl, 2 muche ov da booze?).

    M4t P4rkmun frum Heroz iz da n3w purkins.

    Da yung c4st wur lik k1ds, knott cuz age butt bcuz actin. Dey gr1n l1ke dere g3ttin ah coff-eye n-eh-ma wuneva da o1d stff iz mentchuned. Eye gess w3 (da audeeancs) r supp0ossed 2 b doze morans? Fanks Abrums!

    Ah dunt 3vun l1ke stair warz, n0w I l1kes eet evun l3ss.

    ps: Kykunt Ren luks l1k te3n angsta Adrun Brody.

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    I love how "Star Wars fans" hate on the prequels, claiming that Hayden Christensen ruined the saga with his bad acting, but refuse to acknowledge that Mark Hamill (and Carrie Fisher) really weren't good actors in the originals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crabs View Post
    I love how "Star Wars fans" hate on the prequels, claiming that Hayden Christensen ruined the saga with his bad acting, but refuse to acknowledge that Mark Hamill (and Carrie Fisher) really weren't good actors in the originals.

    Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

    I don't believe Mark Hamill is a good actor. I believe he played the role well given his talents.

    But he had all the talent in Hollywood to pick from and he picked Hayden Christensen?????

    I have so many problems with the moviemaking and story of the prequels, as well as the shoddy acting.

    Good moviemaking is about a relationship between the audience and the actors. If the audience doesn't care or believe in the actors, the movie is going to suck.

    Anni isn't a likeable or realistic character. Obi-wan is. Luke is. Palpatine is. Fin is. Rey is. Even Kylo Ren is.

    I blame the actor, the screenwriter and the director. Knock Luke all you want, but he feels right for the part and his rawness helps sell the role.

    The Prequel had great special effects, but..... lacked good dialogue and the Anni failure is huge....
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    I think Hamill is a decent actor. The problem is that his niche isn't sci-fi. SW isn't hard sci-fi. He worked as Luke because he conveyed naivete and inexperience. Hamill spent a number of years trying to recapture success in cheesy sci-fi b-movies (Time Runner is plain embarrassing). However, his talents as a voice actor are now well known.

    I have a hard time agreeing Fisher is a good actor largely based on her performance during the destruction of Alderaan. She has complained she was just looking at blue screen, but a really good actor would be able to self-manifest the feelings of someone watching their home and family wiped out and effectively convey that to the audience. Her performance always fell flat for me in that scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    I don't believe Mark Hamill is a good actor. I believe he played the role well given his talents.

    But he had all the talent in Hollywood to pick from and he picked Hayden Christensen?????

    I have so many problems with the moviemaking and story of the prequels, as well as the shoddy acting.

    Good moviemaking is about a relationship between the audience and the actors. If the audience doesn't care or believe in the actors, the movie is going to suck.

    Anni isn't a likeable or realistic character. Obi-wan is. Luke is. Palpatine is. Fin is. Rey is. Even Kylo Ren is.

    I blame the actor, the screenwriter and the director. Knock Luke all you want, but he feels right for the part and his rawness helps sell the role.

    The Prequel had great special effects, but..... lacked good dialogue and the Anni failure is huge....
    We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I think Anakin was more believable than Luke or Kylo. Luke seemed absurdly naive for a grown man. Thus far, we've been given no reason at all for Kylo Ren's descent into darkness. And his lighsaber tantrums on various inanimate objects? What was he even mad about? If Anakin did that, there would be no end to the criticisms directed at his character. "That whiny Anakin killed a village of sand people who tortured his mom. What a pussy bitch he was!"

    Not sure if you've seen Hayden in any other movies, but he's really not a bad actor. It just became popular to hate him, much like Nickelback. I'm not a fan of their music, but they aren't terrible musicians by any stretch of the imagination.

    @Anaximander I agree about Mark Hamill's voice acting. His performance as the Joker was superb.
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    I give it 6/10. 5 of which is because dat lightsaber.

    Judging things makes me feel better about myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crabs View Post
    We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I think Anakin was more believable than Luke or Kylo. Luke seemed absurdly naive for a grown man. Thus far, we've been given no reason at all for Kylo Ren's descent into darkness. And his lighsaber tantrums on various inanimate objects? What was he even mad about? If Anakin did that, there would be no end to the criticisms directed at his character. "That whiny Anakin killed a village of sand people who tortured his mom. What a pussy bitch he was!"

    Not sure if you've seen Hayden in any other movies, but he's really not a bad actor. It just became popular to hate him, much like Nickelback. I'm not a fan of their music, but they aren't terrible musicians by any stretch of the imagination.

    @Anaximander I agree about Mark Hamill's voice acting. His performance as the Joker was superb.
    I have seen him in other things and is a serviceable actor. Again, I blame the actor, the director, and screenwriter. George is 2/3.

    And I don't count killing sand people as a big flaw. It is the rest of the moping and whining.

    I find his descent into mass-murdering thug wanting. Padme is in pain, oh, no.... must slaughter Jedi....

    Kylo Ren's anger (at what??? does it matter?) is very strong. He reminds me of my brother who was very bitter and angry at life and especially my dad for nothing. But Kylo Ren doesn't kill subordinates when they fail unlike Darth. Destroying property--big deal....

    Again, a very interesting character in my book, where Anakin was just annoying.... with a poor descent only Vader.

    But again, I have numerous issues with the prequels. Hayden Christensen is only a small part.
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