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    Saw it in IMAX 3D. I thought Ultron was pretty cool, and there was some decent action sequences. I was also pretty excited to finally see The Vision on the big screen, I've been waiting for this. He rocked. Overall opinion: A fun outing, interesting in spots, but it never really rises out of the genre. Winter Soldier had more depth.

    The more intriguing ideas were touched on but not really dug into. For example, Ultron is Stark's child, so what makes Ultron much different from Stark? (There's even a line that suggests this -- that Ultron gets confused between creation and destruction, but where do you think he gets it from?) I really really wish they had dug more into that. Every time the movie started asking those uncomfortable questions, it ended up getting back to an action sequences. (Same thing with the intragroup skirmish at Stark's place; Thor shows up as a deux es machine, versus it being solved organically.)

    In this movie, I also had a much deeper feeling of "What makes the Avengers any better than the guys who trash the place, since they are also trashing the place?" The biggest sense of this is when



    The most WTF moment that I understood why they did it for characterization but that is likely to never happen is when


    Anyway, for people who don't plan to see it but want to know how it pans out (body count and the Avengers 3 roster):



    Also, the "sneak peak / end clip" that shows up in each Marvel movie:
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Good grief. I half feel sorry for this guy, until I recall it was his idea.
    I went to the 29-hour Marvel Movie Marathon in high spirits. I left a broken man. - Vox
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    I watched it on friday which was the day it was released here. I liked it. I think it was better than the first one.

    However, it's action action action and action. Few or no character development. But can't blame them, when there is a cast that big it's hard to give each person an individual time.

    I think the plot was nice too.



    Someone said that Spiderman will be in the third one. I've never read the comics so don't know whether that is true. Would be awesome I think to have him in it.
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    Well, here's kind of an indictment of the direction of "chick flicks," I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    Someone said that Spiderman will be in the third one. I've never read the comics so don't know whether that is true. Would be awesome I think to have him in it.
    The next movie is based on the Civil War storyline.
    The rising tension between Iron Man and Captain America is part of the setup for that.
    In the comic, Spiderman played a major role in that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The next movie is based on the Civil War storyline.
    The rising tension between Iron Man and Captain America is part of the setup for that.
    In the comic, Spiderman played a major role in that story.
    Thanks. What is the reason behind the tension?

    Glad to know Spiderman will be in it. Anyway in the comics is Spiderman closer the Toby Maguire version or the 1960s cartoon version?

    Edit - oh yeah I don't read comics much. I was interested in reading the Ultimate series (Ultimate X-Men etc) but I heard they screwed up the ending, so I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    Thanks. What is the reason behind the tension?
    What did you just see in the Avengers? What did Cap and Iron Man disagree on?

    The specific thing in Civil War though, is


    Glad to know Spiderman will be in it. Anyway in the comics is Spiderman closer the Toby Maguire version or the 1960s cartoon version?
    There are many interpretations of Spidermans -- there have been, what, 55 years of Spiderman or something now? And everyone who writes the book has their own spin on the character. I would say the two "basic" types of Peter Parker as Spiderman have already been covered by Garfield and by Maguire. I've heard rumors the Civil War spiderman will be Peter Parker again (they couldn't seem to settle on the Hispanic vs the white Spidey for awhile), though.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Don't read this until you've seen the movie:
    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/avenger...899426522.html

    However, I disagree with Whedon here.



    I think Wanda's powers in the movie are really kind of sloppy, too. It's not really clear what her powers are. In the comic book, she's, well, a witch and cast "hexes" of luck (good or bad), and even she is not quite sure of their outcome. I understand the difficulties in showing that on the screen, and I guess they wanted to use her as a blaster and have her be able to protect the thingamabob and thus she and The Vision and Ultron would have certain conclusions in their relationship (as it played out). But... what exactly can she do? I guess it's telekinesis as explained, but then she does mind powers stuff... she's kind of like a poor man's Jean Grey.

    The Hex thing would have been something unique, though. Oh well.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/joss-...040034343.html

    Director Joss Whedon told Empire Film Podcast (minor spoilers ahead) that Marvel brass weren't thrilled with the scene in the film, in which Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner)


    "The dreams were not an executive favorite either — the dreams, the farmhouse, these were things I fought to keep," Whedon said. "With the cave, it really turned into: they pointed a gun at the farm's head and said, 'Give us the cave, or we'll take out the farm,' — in a civilized way. I respect these guys, they're artists, but that's when it got really, really unpleasant."

    Whedon explained that there was additional footage shot in the cave, but much of it was cut, as test audiences didn't respond to it.
    My experience with the cave is that it seemed to be unrelated to the rest of the movie, nor was it substantial enough to be worth including; I'm not sure why it was there at all, except to give Thor an excuse to come back and



    "Death by Corporate Executives" -- add that to the card collection, I guess. Sony execs already butchered AS2.
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    I enjoyed comic books when I was younger. I went to see the movie, for the sake of ... well getting out of the house. And I don't know why I torture myself so much watching something I know I will not enjoy. I have to wonder if it is because of the fantasy side of the story. I, for some reason, very anti fantasy.

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