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    Default Pristine-Quality Film Discussion Rollerball!

    So I'm guess there's a film club type thread already, but I'm like the honey badger.

    @Arctic Hysteria and I have been having some really interesting conversations about some fantastic Korean/Japanese films and wanted to share the love.

    But this thread's intention is the discussion of any and all great movies.
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    I'll start with Cold Fish

    This is a pretty fucked up movie from Japan, but it has a lot of depth, the characters are well crafted and played.

    Crime, Drama, Horror genre.

    I'm gonna kind of jump in the middle of a discussion I was having. Spoilers beware:

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    Yes, I like this idea. I have some to add, it will take me a while to write reviews, though.
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    @johnnyyukon: Coldfish touches one common topic in many Japanese movies: dysfunctional family. Visitor Q from the Audition guy - Takashi Miike is another effed up one.
    The protagonist is damn bullied by his own daughter and shut out from sex by his own wife. He's no "alpha male", no self-worth, no power, no voice, no control, probably forced that way. The guy who gave his biotch daughter a job and offered him money also raped his wife (who knows if she likes it too) as well as turned him into a bodies disposer. Well this guy was designed to doom. The end of suppression turned the switch for the quiet man and he became a mad man, fought back in the face of his own doom, a "breaking bad" phenomenon lol.
    I don't know if this guy Sion Ono is simply messed up or just too brilliant. I tried to stomach his Suicide Club, Noriko's Dinner Table and Strange Circus as well. I think if I continue I'll be insane. His main passion is drawing a very depressing picture of Japanese society I can see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Hysteria View Post
    @johnnyyukon: Coldfish touches one common topic in many Japanese movies: dysfunctional family. Visitor Q from the Audition guy - Takashi Miike is another effed up one.
    The protagonist is damn bullied by his own daughter and shut out from sex by his own wife. He's no "alpha male", no self-worth, no power, no voice, no control, probably forced that way. The guy who gave his biotch daughter a job and offered him money also raped his wife (who knows if she likes it too) as well as turned him into a bodies disposer. Well this guy was designed to doom. The end of suppression turned the switch for the quiet man and he became a mad man, fought back in the face of his own doom, a "breaking bad" phenomenon lol.
    I don't know if this guy Sion Ono is simply messed up or just too brilliant. I tried to stomach his Suicide Club, Noriko's Dinner Table and Strange Circus as well. I think if I continue I'll be insane. His main passion is drawing a very depressing picture of Japanese society I can see that.
    "Biootch" lol.

    yeah, agreed. Not just dysfunctional but primarily the root of it coming from a weakling male figure in the household.

    I read a brief synopsis of Visitor Q, and recall Audition and all three together, it seems that the suggestion is the loss of masculinity in Japan and just as much, a fear of women. No idea if this is true, but even though the Japanese empire during WWII was Evil incarnate, I cannot begin to imagine the long lasting psychological effects of having 2 atomic bombs utterly annihilate 2 cities and everyone in them. Not to mention their extremely high code of honor, then being completely stripped of it.

    Btw, while I think it certainly started as rapey, once she said "Hit me" I figured it was at least consensual rape, haha. Man, some fucked up scenes in that one (but I've seen worse).

    The Japanese make American workaholics look like total bums. They literally die from working too much. They even have a word! Karōshi.

    And shit, maybe one reason the men can't keep their families together or keep their masculinity in check is they simply do not have the energy after working 80 hours a week. Depressing indeed.

    I'm obviously making sweeping generalizations, but that's kinda my thing, haha.

    Never been to Japan, but in Taiwan, the men there were definitely scared of assertive white women. Not used to that. And on the other hand, the women flocked to cocky american boys like bees to honey. It was great.

    In Cold Fish and Visitor Q (it seems), there's a representation of a masculine man, but he's so goddamned warped and closer to beast than man, that it's nearly impossible to discern what a man is supposed to be. In the former movie, the protaganist and antagonist couldn't be more opposite. Lots of movies have the hero and his nemesis, but they often share similar qualities. Not in Cold Fish. And I'm still not sure if or what the hell the moral or resolution was, haha.

    But I didn't mind, it was thoroughly entertaining, and did make me think.

    Personally I don't know how you're still sane after watching Martyrs twice. Like, what the hell is wrong with you?? haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    "Biootch" lol.

    yeah, agreed. Not just dysfunctional but primarily the root of it coming from a weakling male figure in the household.

    I read a brief synopsis of Visitor Q, and recall Audition and all three together, it seems that the suggestion is the loss of masculinity in Japan and just as much, a fear of women. No idea if this is true, but even though the Japanese empire during WWII was Evil incarnate, I cannot begin to imagine the long lasting psychological effects of having 2 atomic bombs utterly annihilate 2 cities and everyone in them. Not to mention their extremely high code of honor, then being completely stripped of it.

    Btw, while I think it certainly started as rapey, once she said "Hit me" I figured it was at least consensual rape, haha. Man, some fucked up scenes in that one (but I've seen worse).

    The Japanese make American workaholics look like total bums. They literally die from working too much. They even have a word! Karōshi.

    And shit, maybe one reason the men can't keep their families together or keep their masculinity in check is they simply do not have the energy after working 80 hours a week. Depressing indeed.

    I'm obviously making sweeping generalizations, but that's kinda my thing, haha.

    Never been to Japan, but in Taiwan, the men there were definitely scared of assertive white women. Not used to that. And on the other hand, the women flocked to cocky american boys like bees to honey. It was great.

    In Cold Fish and Visitor Q (it seems), there's a representation of a masculine man, but he's so goddamned warped and closer to beast than man, that it's nearly impossible to discern what a man is supposed to be. In the former movie, the protaganist and antagonist couldn't be more opposite. Lots of movies have the hero and his nemesis, but they often share similar qualities. Not in Cold Fish. And I'm still not sure if or what the hell the moral or resolution was, haha.

    But I didn't mind, it was thoroughly entertaining, and did make me think.

    Personally I don't know how you're still sane after watching Martyrs twice. Like, what the hell is wrong with you?? haha
    In Japanese traditional culture, women are not allowed to enjoy sex, or at least appear to, because it makes them "slutty". Hence expressing pain/ shame/ suffering while at it is considered appropriate. I can pretty much get it from her "hit me" lol.
    Man, Visitor Q has some weirdest scenes. And Strange Circus is disturbing. I couldn't finish.

    Okay, one easier to digest Japanese movie, Cure (1997). I'd like to bounce thoughts off of anyone that has seen this.

    Why what's wrong with Matyrs Each time I introduced a movie to somebody I had to watch it with them. And I'm perfectly sane Johnny, just my NP type 4 demands me to bask in weird stuff. Or am I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Hysteria View Post
    In Japanese traditional culture, women are not allowed to enjoy sex, or at least appear to, because it makes them "slutty". Hence expressing pain/ shame/ suffering while at it is considered appropriate. I can pretty much get it from her "hit me" lol.
    Man, Visitor Q has some weirdest scenes. And Strange Circus is disturbing. I couldn't finish.

    Okay, one easier to digest Japanese movie, Cure (1997). I'd like to bounce thoughts off of anyone that has seen this.

    Why what's wrong with Matyrs Each time I introduced a movie to somebody I had to watch it with them. And I'm perfectly sane Johnny, just my NP type 4 demands me to bask in weird stuff. Or am I?
    I didn't know that about Japanese chicks. Maybe that's why I never got into japanese porn. That and the blurry pixels that I think is government mandated, haha. C'mon.

    What's wrong with Martyrs? Oh nothing really, it's the feel good family movie of the year, haha. The last thirty or 40 minutes pretty much nothing but beating, humiliating, raping (?), and UTTERLY degrading a young woman in a dungeon, before flaying her alive without killing -that sequence just warmed my heart.

    Blechh, never again!

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    Ha, I like morbid stuff too, believe me, but there's disturbing violence and imagery with content behind it, just enough to get a point across, and then disturbing violence and imagery cuz, what the hell, let's see how much we can get away with.

    I mean I "got" Martyrs, I just thought the ending was too much for a point that wasn't really all that interesting.

    It was still one of those movies that kept me thinking for days after, so I think that qualifies as a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Ha, I like morbid stuff too, believe me, but there's disturbing violence and imagery with content behind it, just enough to get a point across, and then disturbing violence and imagery cuz, what the hell, let's see how much we can get away with.

    I mean I "got" Martyrs, I just thought the ending was too much for a point that wasn't really all that interesting.

    It was still one of those movies that kept me thinking for days after, so I think that qualifies as a success.
    There are morbid, gruesome movies that I'll never ever watch. I know a friend who watched stuff like Hostel franchise, Human Centipede, The ABCs of Death, Serbian Films, etc., just out of curiosity and we argued because I couldn't understand why he put let those violent crap enter his head, I remember saying something like "now I seriously doubt if you're a sadist!". He's a perfectly sane and happy guy, just way too curious.
    I personally thought Matyrs was hard too watch indeed, but the violence was not nonsense in the way that it's only there to scare the shoot out of the audience.

    It's funny that I was ok with Matyrs, but I had to cover my eyes during Audition several times lol Probably the method acting made it all so real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Hysteria View Post
    There are morbid, gruesome movies that I'll never ever watch. I know a friend who watched stuff like Hostel franchise, Human Centipede, The ABCs of Death, Serbian Films, etc., just out of curiosity and we argued because I couldn't understand why he put let those violent crap enter his head, I remember saying something like "now I seriously doubt if you're a sadist!". He's a perfectly sane and happy guy, just way too curious.
    I personally thought Matyrs was hard too watch indeed, but the violence was not nonsense in the way that it's only there to scare the shoot out of the audience.

    It's funny that I was ok with Matyrs, but I had to cover my eyes during Audition several times lol Probably the method acting made it all so real.
    With Martyrs, I dunno, maybe I was high when I watched it and therefore more sensitive, but most of the movie had a pretty solid element of believability, so that also adds to the impact of violence.

    Audtion, lol, that was one of the first asian horror movies I saw recommended by Rob Zombie on some Horror Movie show. He said "it creeped me out," and if Rob Zombie said that, I knew it had to be fucked up. It was.
    The way she talks in that innocent little voice "This wire cuts through bone and meat easily." haha, oh geezus.

    I actually saw a quality bootleg DVD of Hostel right when it came out IN a Hostel IN eastern europe on this giant projection screen they had. Krakow. Haha.
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    Korean and Jap movies? I happened to know quite a few


    My top 3 favorite:

    1) One litre of tears - This movie is based on a real life biography of a 15 year old girl from japan who suffers from an incurable disease also known as spinocerebellar degeneration. At first she is able to walk, then she started falling down and walking strangely. And then as her illness started progressing further she wasn't able to walk anymore and has to use a wheelchair. And then her condition continued to deteoriate further until she eventually became bedridden and is unable to walk, speak, write, or eat anymore. This 15 year old girl actually has strong willpower and managed to persevere for 10 years until she eventually died at age 25.

    2) Shining Inheritance - This movie portrays the inherent selfishness and greed that are found in human's nature and how a person can be betrayed by their own family at times, for example, in this movie, this girl's evil stepmother tried to swallow up her inheritance and even chased her and her autistic brother out of the house when their father "died". And by the way their father didn't actually die, he has been lying about his "death" the entire time because he was trying to escape from his debtors and he wanted his family to claim his insurance and then use those money to help him clear off those debts. But of course that evil stepmother didn't do so, she not only swallowed up all the money and the house and everything, she also decided to chase her stepdaughter and autistic stepson out of the house so that she could have everything to herself. The stepdaughter and stepson ended up on the street, trying to fend for themselves, looking for shelter, looking for a job etc. And there was even once when the evil stepmother brought her stepson to a deserted area and trying to desert him over there. And the stepson is autistic so he doesn't really know how to find his way back, and he only managed to stay alive because he was taken into care by a kind stranger. The entire family ended up separated because of the evil stepmother. But in the end, the good triumphs over the evil, and the evil stepmother's evil doings eventually got found out and the girl managed to reunite with her father and her autistic brother.

    3) Sang Doo, Let's Go to School - This movie is basically about this girl who used to date this guy during her high school days, but one day, this guy ended up in prison and when he was released from prison he realized that his girlfriend has left him. He is also unable to find a job because of his criminal record and his lack of education. And then a few years later, the both of them meet up again. She became a teacher, whereas he becomes her student in her class.
    And this is how he went all the way out to woo her back.

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