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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I am not a fan of Lana Del Ray.

    I don't like the sound of her voice, the instrumentation is kinda boring and lacks the elements I usually go for in music, and her image just isn't my style. I tried to get into her multiple times though. Quite a lot of my friends said "have you heard her?! You will love her!" Considering I listen to bands like The Knife, iamamiwhoami, Planningtorock, and others in that vein. I just... I couldn't get into it. All I could think was "this just sounds bad... why do people like this?". I could hear it was well done but something was off.

    Nevertheless, she is very popular and well regarded as original and talented, so I withhold my judgement beyond my personal taste. Music is rather subjective anyway. It's difficult to label something as truly "bad". That said, some Lana fans I have met seem to get really offended over the fact that I don't care for her, and I just don't get it. People are allowed to dislike music?
    The Knife is one of my favorite bands so I am unclear on why that makes it obvious you shouldn't like LDR but at least you criticize her music and aren't on some bizarre mission to fit in with the cool kids by calling her a hipster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Honestly I wish you could be as reasonable as someone like hard and just say you don't like her music (my ESFJ sister doesn't either) without calling me crazy or brainwashed, or making utterly ignorant statements like "there's nothing to get" when you obviously didn't even understand her creative angle.

    It's obnoxious. It goes so far beyond simply not liking particular music, and you aren't the only one who talks this way, it's trendy now.
    Defending anyone who isn't your blood or your deity this hard is a little crazy to me. I feel that you really overreacted. You also missed my point, I think I understand her schtick pretty well, I just dislike it and don't find it nearly as deep as you're trying to make it. I won't just say "I don't like her music," because while her music is just boring and meh to me, her persona is what really turns me off of her. And I don't believe that she even constructed it herself which makes her even lamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickpea View Post
    Defending anyone who isn't your blood or your deity this hard is a little crazy to me. I feel that you really overreacted. You also missed my point, I think I understand her schtick pretty well, I just dislike it and don't find it nearly as deep as you're trying to make it. I won't just say "I don't like her music," because while her music is just boring and meh to me, her persona is what really turns me off of her. And I don't believe that she even constructed it herself which makes her even lamer.

    If you actually knew her music you would know she constructed it herself (live performance of Trash/Miss America on YouTube as Lizzy Grant back in the day, videos for Kinda Outta Luck and You Can Be the Boss)...in essence you have no idea what you are talking about but speak with absurd false authority. Yeah I am a real fan, and I obviously continually use hyperbole and self mockery as part of my humor on forums, but I appreciate your "concern" :eyeroll:

    It's plainly obvious that as Lizzy Grant she played different characters and even with fake accents within the same general construct. All artists generally have some help from stylists bur in basic framework she is the same as she was when she went by her birth name. Ultraviolence carries out a similar theme but via a kind of old jazzy blues kind of feel.

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    I never claimed to be any authority on Lana del Rey's music like I've probably heard 4 songs of hers. I've read interviews though, and I feel like you're putting way more thought into this than she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    The Knife is one of my favorite bands so I am unclear on why that makes it obvious you shouldn't like LDR but at least you criticize her music and aren't on some bizarre mission to fit in with the cool kids by calling her a hipster.
    What I meant was that liking The Knife (one of my favorite bands as well) would makes it very likely that I would get into LDR (hence many people suggested her). The only time I ever remark on an artists image is if they are being overtly and clearly hostile in some regard. Well, with maybe one exception.

    A few years ago when Grimes came to prominence I had a lot of people suggest to me that I'd really get into her as well and I just... I couldn't do it. The music felt very forced and boring. I like repetitive minimalist music, but she took it to a point where I was just bored. Her image though really did bother me. It seemed like she was trying way too hard. Watching her videos I felt like she was just putting things there for the sake of it, a mishmash of unrelated things, and it came out bad. It was to the point where I saw her as annoying and pretentious. Again though, many people seemed to like her, so I thought "...well I guess people like that? To each their own." Grimes does strike me as a hipster, but I don't mean that in a derogatory sense (a hipster is not automatically a bad thing). She's very into advant-garde style and attitude. She seems like a genuine nice person when I have seen interviews of her. Ultimately, it's just not my thing.

    I have a hard time being mad at a person unless they are intending to harm someone, break rules/laws without giving a shit, stir up trouble for the sake of, or any of these done naiively but repetively without learning. Musicians almost never do that, so there's not much to hate.
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    I understand her aesthetic/mythos intellectually, but I don't really feel it in my bones. To me, she is an abstract representation of something I only understand in the abstract. I wonder if it helps to be American and have a more direct experience with the culture that has shaped her music? Either way, she's not my cuppa tea. I find her a bit droning (which I guess suits the feelings she's trying to communicate). Mind you, I enjoy Bob Dylan's "sand and glue" vocals, while most people I know insist he can't sing for shit. Everyone's different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    What I meant was that liking The Knife (one of my favorite bands as well) would makes it very likely that I would get into LDR (hence many people suggested her). The only time I ever remark on an artists image is if they are being overtly and clearly hostile in some regard. Well, with maybe one exception.

    A few years ago when Grimes came to prominence I had a lot of people suggest to me that I'd really get into her as well and I just... I couldn't do it. The music felt very forced and boring. I like repetitive minimalist music, but she took it to a point where I was just bored. Her image though really did bother me. It seemed like she was trying way too hard. Watching her videos I felt like she was just putting things there for the sake of it, a mishmash of unrelated things, and it came out bad. It was to the point where I saw her as annoying and pretentious. Again though, many people seemed to like her, so I thought "...well I guess people like that? To each their own." Grimes does strike me as a hipster, but I don't mean that in a derogatory sense (a hipster is not automatically a bad thing). She's very into advant-garde style and attitude. She seems like a genuine nice person when I have seen interviews of her. Ultimately, it's just not my thing.

    I have a hard time being mad at a person unless they are intending to harm someone, break rules/laws without giving a shit, stir up trouble for the sake of, or any of these done naiively but repetively without learning. Musicians almost never do that, so there's not much to hate.
    Yeah I like Grimes...and I really responded to Lanas sense of theater. If I were my mom's age I probably would have been more obsessed with artists like David Bowie, and yeah I did like him and Boy George when I was little, so it's an ongoing interest of mine I think is the musician as performance artist. I have also seen Human League live with Howard Jones and Human League was very 80s art school ish....I majored in lit in college and happened to love that whole detective novel, femme fatale, old Hollywood, haunted L.A. thing...and I genuinely like Lanas music, some of it is actually quite upbeat she experimented with different styles, but I can very much respect some one saying hey she's just not my kinda thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Yeah I like Grimes...and I really responded to Lanas sense of theater. If I were my mom's age I probably would have been more obsessed with artists like David Bowie, and yeah I did like him and Boy George when I was little, so it's an ongoing interest of mine I think is the musician as performance artist. I have also seen Human League live with Howard Jones and Human League was very 80s art school ish....I majored in lit in college and happened to love that whole detective novel, femme fatale, old Hollywood, haunted L.A. thing...and I genuinely like Lanas music, some of it is actually quite upbeat she experimented with different styles, but I can very much respect some one saying hey she's just not my kinda thing.
    Being able to relate is a huge thing in art and music. And that's why I never got into those two, I just don't relate on an emotional or intellectual level. I'm an organic chemist so I have limited exposure to literature and the arts. However, my mother is an artist, and she is also obsessed with David Bowie. Her taste influenced me to a slight degree, but her tastes and mine are still different. One artist from her time, Kate Bush (who I recently discovered and very much like; I would have been obsessed if I was young when she came out) she does not care for despite I liking it.

    My favorite band iamamiwhoami (if you like The Knife you might like them, but I am not sure)is an obsession to me because of how much I relate and connect to it on pretty much every level. Their entire purpose of a band is just captivating to me. They make a story each album, and each song comes with a video that tells an abstract tale inspired by norse mythology. It's very surreal, abstract, and minimalistic. It's also a perfect complement and match to the music. Musically, it is a near perfect match and harmony of everything I look for in music. I feel like it is a reflection of my internal world and listening sort of lets me externally see it and feel it. It's quite fulfilling.

    This whole discussion really just highlights the idea that one need to focus on the important part of what matters, and to stay focused on the discussion. Meaning if you don't like music, then that's fine. When you disike a band for abstract and hard-to-prove statements, you're just going to have people become upset. It's easy to get distracted.
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