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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I never said so.
    You made a distinction between "memorable" and "forgettable." Do words have meaning when you use them? Guess not.
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    I think they originally had mapped it out as a comic book, didn't they?

    Obviously movies with special effects have budgetary concerns well beyond that of a comic that might drive what gets accomplished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I like how the audience is being manipulated in thinking that there is any meaning at all, only to have 'the real world' (zion's world) end up being the matrix as well and neo's existance being yet another form of control until the matrix is being reset for a new cycle.
    I remember a lot of discussion about whether Neo's use of powers at the end of Reloaded in what we thought was the "real world" actually meant there were layers of Matrix and he still wasn't in the "physical world" -- a la Nolan's "Inception."

    But they opted for some quasi-explanation in Revolutions that really is difficult to grasp. I've read various explanations in the past and they still don't make a lot of sense, enough that they don't stick in my head enough to recall here. It was a huge plot issue IMO, when the viewers don't understand why something happened; it makes it all seem random.

    I liked the idea of "layers on layers" better than the solution the movie proposed.... yet another level of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I like how the audience is being manipulated in thinking that there is any meaning at all, only to have 'the real world' (zion's world) end up being the matrix as well and neo's existance being yet another form of control until the matrix is being reset for a new cycle.
    Yes, that was just weird. Not what viewers are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    You made a distinction between "memorable" and "forgettable." Do words have meaning when you use them? Guess not.
    First, you need to realize that forgettable is a very subjective assessment. I watched Lion King like 15 years ago and I still remember a number of scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    First, you need to realize that forgettable is a very subjective assessment. I watched Lion King like 15 years ago and I still remember a number of scenes.
    And second...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    And second...?
    Second, being a good INTP, you nitpick too much. Probably not very fun in parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    First, you need to realize that forgettable is a very subjective assessment. I watched Lion King like 15 years ago and I still remember a number of scenes.
    "Run away, Simba. Run away and never return!"
    (... make mine a cub sandwich! har har har har)
    "I've got a loverly bunch of coconuts!"
    "They call me MISTER Pigg!"
    "Pumba, with you, everything's gas."

    ... better stop before I go too far.
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    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
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    The first movie was as close to perfection in execution as a movie can get.

    I didn't mind the next two - they added some interesting rabbit-holes and other variables, but ultimately, added virtually nothing to the overall message carried by the first. Still they were fun though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    If I remember correctly, the W siblings had to make the first one a success before getting the green light for the other two (I *think* I remember reading that they didn't want to make it a stand-alone story, but they didn't have a choice).
    Sounds right. IIRC they wrote all three screenplays at the same time, before even making the first film. Which is part of why it's so surprising that Reloaded and Revolutions weren't good.

    (I could have forgiven them a lot if they weren't long and boring. I can forgive a lot of movie flaws, but over/under-length usually isn't one of them.)
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