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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    USA scrambled to get a thin slice of opportunity, but when they got it, they took it and succeeded.
    The American Dream, basically.

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    His brother is part of the German team. Good genes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    And we did this against the team that knocked us out of the last two world cups.
    I did not know that. Good thing Germany will not have to face Italy early on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    The American Dream, basically.
    That, and redemption:

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    And we did this against the team that knocked us out of the last two world cups.
    USA's swan song.

    His brother is part of the German team. Good genes.
    but I find the not-so-little prince hotter than Jerome.


    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Lol. It's easy to shift down a gear, when you score a goal in the first 30 seconds, and you lose one of your best strikers to injury.

    We were on cruise control until Ghana had that beauty of a goal. But we turned it back on and scored again just a minute or two later off a beautiful set piece play.
    Pumpkin, this is not your grandma's backyard. This is FIFA World Cup. They were not on "cruise control"; you can believe that all you want, but they were scrambling. You could see it in their play. And, if what you say is correct, that they were on cruise control then it's a shame, because you don't come to FIFA, and play as if on "cruise control". Just for that, they should be taken out.

    You can talk about time of possession all you want, but look at the scoreboard honey. And we did this against the team that knocked us out of the last two world cups.

    Talk about an ego boost!
    Then you do not have an appreciation for the game. If you think a scoreboard determines a good play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Pumpkin, this is not your grandma's backyard. This is FIFA World Cup. They were not on "cruise control"; you can believe that all you want, but they were scrambling. You could see it in their play. And, if what you say is correct, that they were on cruise control then it's a shame, because you don't come to FIFA, and play as if on "cruise control". Just for that, they should be taken out.

    Then you do not have an appreciation for the game. If you think a scoreboard determines a good play.
    In the words of Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."

    And last time I checked, the scoreboard determines the winner.

    So, is it your contention that the scoreboard should not matter, and that some subjective assessment of who played better should determine the victor?

    Way to knock down that straw man. I appreciate the game. I'm not the most knowledgeable soccer fan on the planet, but nowhere did I claim I was.

    Feel free to show me where I stated that the scoreboard alone determines good play.

    But yea go all ad hominem if you want. It's only soccer, and frankly I don't care that fucking much.

    It seems all you want to do is shit on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    And last time I checked, the scoreboard determines the winner.

    So, is it your contention that the scoreboard should not matter, and that some subjective assessment of who played better should determine the victor?
    Before this turns into a cat fight:

    Qre:us criticized the quality of the US team's play by talking about ball possession. You countered: "You can talk about time of possession all you want, but look at the scoreboard honey." Now, argument by one-liner is one of your typical moves, and it can work, but when people take you up on what you actually say, your arguments look pretty weak.

    Ball possession is indicative of the quality of a team's play. The better team usually wins, but sometimes it loses. The winner, of course, is always determined by the score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Before this turns into a cat fight:

    Qre:us criticized the quality of the US team's play by talking about ball possession. You countered: "You can talk about time of possession all you want, but look at the scoreboard honey." Now, argument by one-liner is one of your typical moves, and it can work, but when people take you up on what you actually say, your arguments look pretty weak.

    Ball possession is indicative of the quality of a team's play. The better team usually wins, but sometimes it loses. The winner, of course, is always determined by the score.
    Scoring is also indicative of the quality of a team's play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Scoring is also indicative of the quality of a team's play.
    To a lower degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    To a lower degree.
    For example Korea's goal yesterday said nothing about Korea and everything about Russia's keeper. There are a lot of variables on any given goal, but possession by a team over time says something.

    There is nothing wrong with going into cruise control and focusing on possession after establishing a lead (well maybe not for 89 minutes), but that's not what happened to the U.S. as Bradley and others consistently gave up possession in the middle third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    To a lower degree.
    The US has never been a classical possession team. We've always had great keepers, and really athletic players that can take advantage of counter attack opportunities. That is reflective of the fact that pro soccer in the US doesn't pay as well as all our other pro sports and thus we don't put as much emphasis on training the best soccer players ever. Which is why we aren't one of the great global teams even though we have plenty of money to throw at it.

    I approach the whole thing from how good we were before, and this time we played pretty good compared past performances. Surely we're not on a Germany, Italy, Brazil, Spain level, but we're taking big strides in the right direction.

    So yea, for us, we played well. Of course if you want to compare us to countries where soccer is the dominant sport we don't stack up, but so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    You should, it's such an uninspired game.
    Compared to sports i more often follow (rugby and cricket) football is somewhat dull due to the lack of variation. But i guess for a more hardcore fans every kick, every turn, every pass and every dive is probably as exiting as a goal.

    Actually even in sports i regularly follow there are so many things i am unaware of that hardcore obsessed fans notice in abundance. However once i am made aware of these aspects i learn to enjoy them naturally too.

    So i guess every sport has its acquired tastes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    It's distressing how little people in this thread are actually talking about soccer.
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    One of the most annoying things about soccer (which I only watch during these big events) is the pseudo-professional opinionatedness displayed by the regular soccer fan. A bit more of it sure would make this thread more lively, though.
    Since no one in this thread seems to be an expert on the subject i am totally comfortable reading about who is the cutest of them all.

    However i would have a very hard time seeing anjela merkel (sorry too bored to google) on tv in the near future or watching porn without feeling embarassed thanks to you nico.

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