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    The most important element of a film is the plot. Special effects and high priced actors are just make-up on a pig and it doesn't matter if you do spend $170 million on the make-up; it still won't cover up the threadbare plot. Meg in Space is one of the more disappointing films I've seen; no character development at all in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Meg in Space is one of the more disappointing films I've seen; no character development at all in this.
    What's that movie? Never heard of it. (maybe that's why, lol.)

    Well, you're conflating "plot" and "character development" here. I think either of those can make an interesting movie -- all plot or all character development. of course, a better movie often has both.

    The problem is when you get a movie that is all eye candy with no character development and a confusing mess of a plot that can't generate any real tension because it's designed so sloppily. I think eye candy is the thing that, even when beautiful, is hard to sit through two hours of. If I want eye candy, make it a ten minute film or just make some pretty pictures. the extra dimension of film (length) is naturally suited towards plot, character dev, or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer
    What's that movie? Never heard of it. (maybe that's why, lol.)
    Hint: What's Mila Kunis best known for?

    No, I wasn't conflating plot with character development. This film has neither. The action was fine but there was too much action; after a while, the action becomes boring. I call it the Robocop 3 effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, and so this happened:
    ‘Jupiter Ascending’ Review: In Space, No One Can Hear You Shrug | Variety

    RT score: 36%

    But who cares? It looks like it might still be a lot of fun.
    It's just too bad their budget is likely to be cut after this.
    This morning RT has it scored at 22%.
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    Oh, and I just realized!

    Three Investigators - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The female lead of Jupiter Ascending, Jupiter Jones, shares the name of one of the investigators in the Three Investigators series of juvenile detective novels: the chubby, and male, Jupiter Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Hint: What's Mila Kunis best known for?

    No, I wasn't conflating plot with character development. This film has neither. The action was fine but there was too much action; after a while, the action becomes boring. I call it the Robocop 3 effect.
    Robocop 3.....rofl! Saw the first two, and 2 was enough for me.

    I think Kunis got big on That 70s Show....but I never watched it. (And there is your Robocop tie in....aka Kurtwood Smith.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
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    The female lead of Jupiter Ascending, Jupiter Jones, shares the name of one of the investigators in the Three Investigators series of juvenile detective novels: the chubby, and male, Jupiter Jones.
    I bet THAT Jupiter wasn't nearly as purdy.


    ... and yeah, case in point: How come all these "discovered rulers" are always drop-dead gorgeous by conventional standards? Even average or slightly above average would be a nice change of pace. I'm reading this Jupiter here is pretty passive in the storyline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Robocop 3.....rofl! Saw the first two, and 2 was enough for me.

    I think Kunis got big on That 70s Show....but I never watched it. (And there is your Robocop tie in....aka Kurtwood Smith.)



    I bet THAT Jupiter wasn't nearly as purdy.


    ... and yeah, case in point: How come all these "discovered rulers" are always drop-dead gorgeous by conventional standards? Even average or slightly above average would be a nice change of pace. I'm reading this Jupiter here is pretty passive in the storyline.
    Well, for example, what if the chick at 14:27 in this video played Trinity in the actual Matrix movies? Would The Matrix have gone on to become a trilogy?

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    Probably not, although she's not even "average" -- so you ignored my wording.

    And while I think Carrie Anne Moss was a model, I don't think she's particularly beautiful in the conventional way that Kunis is -- and also, I think no one looks at Trinity as eye candy. The first thing you think of is, "She kicks ass," not "Oh, she's a hot woman that kicks ass." That's one thing I really liked about her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Probably not, although she's not even "average" -- so you ignored my wording.

    And while I think Carrie Anne Moss was a model, I don't think she's particularly beautiful in the conventional way that Kunis is -- and also, I think no one looks at Trinity as eye candy. The first thing you think of is, "She kicks ass," not "Oh, she's a hot woman that kicks ass." That's one thing I really liked about her.
    EHRMAGERHD, I IGNORED YOUR WORDING!!!!!!!!!!

    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    EHRMAGERHD, I IGNORED YOUR WORDING!!!!!!!!!!

    lol
    I specifically said average or a bit above average in my post, purposefully, and you ignored it out of convenience to your argument. If this is the direction you're going to take this again, then see ya.
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