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    Great finale, as taken from a James Bond movie.
    ‘Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.’

    ‘And we will have made great strides in equality,
    when few have too much and fewer too little.’.

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    The finale doesn't air here until Saturday night.
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    I enjoyed the first season, second was fine. Third is just a long stream of hallucinations.

    If I wanted to see that i'd take LSD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    I enjoyed the first season, second was fine. Third is just a long stream of hallucinations.

    If I wanted to see that i'd take LSD.
    It gets much better towards the end.
    ‘Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.’

    ‘And we will have made great strides in equality,
    when few have too much and fewer too little.’.
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    The first half honestly didn't bother me (like I noted earlier, it was actually covering material from later books, rather than being completely unrelated, so it was mostly fair game); but yeah, I'm glad they moved onto material that is much more familiar to the audience, and they've done a bang-up job with it.
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    The "Hannibal" novel was dumb and boring, not unlike the film adaptation. Covering that material may very well have doomed the TV series; they lost the audience. It's no surprise that once they started directly covering the material from "Red Dragon" the show became eminently more interesting.

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    My personal feeling after reading "Hannibal" was that it was Thomas Harris' laughing all the way to the bank and giving the publishers his middle finger.

    It was basically a shit sandwich dressed up in skillful Harris prose so that it looked palatable and fancy.

    On one level, it was an amazing display of Harris' writing ability; but I never read another book by him after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    My personal feeling after reading "Hannibal" was that it was Thomas Harris' laughing all the way to the bank and giving the publishers his middle finger.

    It was basically a shit sandwich dressed up in skillful Harris prose so that it looked palatable and fancy.

    On one level, it was an amazing display of Harris' writing ability; but I never read another book by him after that.
    Was the writing that well-done? If so, I may read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Was the writing that well-done? If so, I may read it.

    It was years ago when I read it (when it came out), so I always hesitate to make a recommendation purely on memory in case you hate it.

    I just remember thinking that when I was reading it -- "If anyone else would write a plot this melodramatic and shit crazy, no one would have published it." I feel like he made up the most outlandish thing he could think of, in terms of plot, because he was ensured massive sales regardless.

    It's incredible they even tried to make a movie out of it, I don't think anyone could have really made it work on the screen; not even Ridley Scott. It's why on the show they ditched much of the plot as Harris wrote it, reorganized/wove in a few elements in ways they could pull off, played up the absurdity when necessary (so it fit with the tone of the show), and tossed the rest. You simply can't play that book straight, you have to make it into something absurd and surreal.

    Note also that Starling is a protagonist in the book and she's not even in Fuller's version. That got rid of some of the stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    My personal feeling after reading "Hannibal" was that it was Thomas Harris' laughing all the way to the bank and giving the publishers his middle finger.

    It was basically a shit sandwich dressed up in skillful Harris prose so that it looked palatable and fancy.
    Absolutely. I read somewhere that he had no intention of writing another book featuring Hannibal Lecter after "The Silence of the Lambs" but was heavily pressured by his publisher, his agent and everyone else involved to do it. And to make it "marketable". It had to have Hannibal in it, it had to have Starling in it, it had to be grandiose in a way that would up the ante when the inevitable film adaptation was made.

    So all these people waved money at him and he went right along with those plans for this story. It sold in great numbers and he made oodles of money off it, and off " Hannibal Rising" too (which I've never read but had heard was dreck).
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