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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    I love the show too. However, I fear it's moving too slow. No I don't think the pace of the show is too slow. I just think it might not survive for so long due to ratings if they continue with the same pace. It would kill the theme of the show to speed things up, but I feel that's the only way the show would reach an ending before being cancelled. Besides they were initially planning for 7 seasons. No way that's going to happen I thought back then.

    Genuine concern.

    Also are they going to give Will a break from the show once Clarice Starling is introduced? She seems no way close to the intrigue Will provides though Silence of the lambs was amazing.

    Will is just too amazing to be taken off the show. But maybe the viewers would get tired of him, and I fear the they would get tired of Hannibal too if it goes on like this.
    Fuller had condensed what he had planned for Season 3-4 so that his plans only run for six seasons, last I saw. dolarhyde used to be season 4 but now got moved into halfway through season 3 I think to move things along.

    A problem was that the show did not have the rights to Silence of the Lambs. So unless they can swing a deal, they can't use Starling wholesale or anything specific to that book. They might have to create similar characters and use those, if they can't get the rights (if production continues). Makes me wonder if that was part of the problem from NBC's perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Just watched episode s3e2 (and have the others taped), and I'm reminded why I really like this show. I've seen very few things that capture subjective psychology of the characters this well... and to see it on TV versus a movie? (reference "Under the Skin" as one of those movies.)

    But at the same time it explains the bad ratings. I like being disturbed, I like knowing not exactly what is real, I like trying to filter through Will's perceptions and see what he is seeing and putting things together, I like things being ambiguous and confusing and unsettling. But TV audiences (especially major networks) just don't really have a high demographic of people like that, I think; it's too art-housey and only a TV niche market at best. Which is why cable might be able to handle the show, if a network can devote proper resources to the project.

    Episode 2 was just great. And sad. And hopeful. And disappointing. And pretty brilliant. It really pulled on me mentally and emotionally. We finally get a partial sense of how things went down at the end of Season 2 but... who knows where this is going?

    Except to the Tooth Fairy, eventually.

    ... also, another book character is introduced.

    EDIT: Cause for hope? From the wiki:
    "On June 22, 2015, NBC cancelled the series. Fuller has initiated talks with Amazon Prime and Netflix for a renewal."

    EDIT1: Oh, back in S3e1, at the end, there's this great shot of Hannibal sitting on a train with a luggage chest that reminds me a TON of the end of the movie "Let the Right One In." I can't really believe that's a mistake. (Except it's making you wonder who is representing who.)

    EDIT2: Caught up now (through s3e4). Things are kind of falling into place, I think they're trying to set up the placement of all the characters for the beginning of Red Dragon, which would likely start with e7.


    well I'm skipping the rest in this thread until I finish episode 5. But you captured the show very well in your "why I like it and why NBC viewers don't"

    It's remarkable this show has lasted a single season on a major network. I always watch downloaded episodes, but I can't imagine watching this show with freaking network TV commercials. But the gore in this show, it pushes boundaries graphically, and aesthetically....period. Thinking of the sad, surprising, yet not-so-surprising scene of Abigail's throat being slashed by an an invisible blade, sitting calmly next to Will. Heavy, bloody, graphic on ANY network.

    But this season is more dream/horrorscape than the previous 2 and while beautiful, a little annoying at times, like yes yes wonderful, but don't forget to progress the plot. I can forgive it though.

    Though I'm just into the beginning, I'm caught thinking WTF?? with episode 5 when the japanese girl says to Will on the train, "you're scared if you don't kill him you'll become him." Say again?? I mean, that's kind of been a running theme this season, but I never quite could buy it. Yes, Will freed the imprisoned man that ate Mischa, probably just "curious to see what would happen," a very Hannibal thing to do, but Will could never be a monster. I don't get that. But maybe it's just Will's own irrational fears/insecurities.


    All in all, this show continues to remain one of the most disturbingly bizarre shows I've ever watched. And I'm very pleased that the subject for such is show is none other than one Dr. Hannibal Lecter, a fictional character who is so artfully brought to life, that he deserves a place in mythos next to a Botticelli or a Hieronymus Bosch painting.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/amazon-ne...154400378.html

    Amazon and Netflix have both declined to revive the artful drama, which NBC canceled last month partially into its third season. It's still possible the show will find a home elsewhere; however, Amazon Prime was seen as the most likely contender to bring Hannibal online because of an exclusive distribution deal.

    ....Fuller shared the disheartening news Monday via Twitter, adding that he's still holding out hope. De Laurentiis Company, which produces the show, confirmed that they were still exploring other options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    I love the show too. However, I fear it's moving too slow.
    Probably has something to do with all the fucking snails.
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    But snails bring out the flavor!
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    Hannibal has kind of jumped the shark for me this season so unless it improves I can't say I'm too disappointed it's been canceled. I'd probably stop watching it anyhow.

    The first couple of seasons where enjoyable because you had the suspense/drama of the authorities trying to track down Hannibal and the threat he might kill some of the main characters.

    This season, there's too much psycho babble and no suspense/drama. Hannibal's victims are inconsequential nobodies. All the protagonists seem to just accept Hannibal's existence and are content to let him be himself. There is no chase and therefor no suspense going on. Oddball characters like the Asian chick and the lipless guy come out of left field.

    It seems the series is now primarily a vehicle for a bunch of art nouveau impressionists. Story and drama have been replaced by surrealistic vision sequences. I got fed up in the last episode during that sequence that started out with sort of a mirror image of one of lipless guy's women. My eyes rolled - great more of this crap. Wake me up when it's over. I just FF'd the pvr past it all till I saw some characters in dialog. Maybe if you are an art student you are impressed by that stuff, but it bores me to tears at this point.

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    Part of me would like a series more in the vein of Michael Mann's Manhunter. Miami Vice meets Hannibal Lector. Inagaddadavidaaaa hoooney

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    I still watch Hannibal since I am still far into it, but this just last episode they just seem like they're scramblin' around with the plot with however it seems convenient for the Hannibal character, you know he's going to keep living on makes him kind of lose his mysteriousness because it's not like he did it with swift execution, rather he's just too "lucky." Oh well still something to watch to pass the time.

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    I think the way everyone is scrambling over each other in an effort to get to Hannibal is hilarious. As soon as someone has him someone else comes in and screws over the other person's plans.

    I know a lot of people aren't really feeling the pretentious artsy-ness but I see it as camp levity. Despite the extremely surreal and fantastical elements, I think people take the show too seriously and expect too much realism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinclair View Post
    I think the way everyone is scrambling over each other in an effort to get to Hannibal is hilarious. As soon as someone has him someone else comes in and screws over the other person's plans.

    I know a lot of people aren't really feeling the pretentious artsy-ness but I see it as camp levity. Despite the extremely surreal and fantastical elements, I think people take the show too seriously and expect too much realism.
    Yes, that last episode felt tongue-in-cheek, almost as if the show were just making fun of itself. (I think the prevalence of Mason Verger this season, with his sardonic deliveries, contributes to that.) And then we have the whole bit with Bedelia, which again seems self-referential and tongue-in-cheek in a way that she wasn't played in other seasons. I actually laughed out loud a number of times, I felt like they were just playing it for fun at this point.

    And as you note, all the "interference" going on, almost cartoonish, between the characters -- but juxtaposed with this arthousy pretentious imagery. And then the whole dinner scene there with an element ripped from Hannibal (just as the thing with Pazzi was ripped out of Hannibal). I have no clue where they are "at" in the known storyline, the TV shows has disassembled and then reassembled... which I suppose is the best way to go about it so we have no idea what to expect.

    Oh yes... the "Verger baby." Dear god, I was laughing. How can he say those lines with a straight face? Joe anderson makes them sound so delicious.
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