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    It's why I thought those interviews were interesting.

    I do find Hugh attractive, although that particular physical build is not usually one that interests me. I think it's personality, but then again I only really know him as Will.

    I saw Mikkelsen first in Casino Royale, as Le Chiffre, but this role has been more definitive to me.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    I'm pretty excited to have gotten the Hannibal Season 1 blurays today.

    Not only am I getting to see the show finally in crystal-clear detail (I was watching on low-rez avi's or something before), but it also includes the 4th episode that did not air in the US (I don't remember whether I saw it online or not). It also has "producer's cuts" of five episodes and a small grab-bag of extra's.

    It's also kind of interesting to now go back and watch the show with a quicker pace rather than weekly over a period of two years. I had forgotten some things.

    The Garrett Jacob Hobbes sequence is pretty close to what was in the book, except that Mrs. Hobbes came tottering down the steps bleeding to death and here she just goes out the front door. That whole incident (aside from Hannibal being present in the show) is pretty close to the book version.

    But here's a worse part: Hannibal is such a bastard. I need to look again, but how he cut Abigail up in the season 2 finale is (I think) exactly how her dad cut her in season 1. And she's laying there just the same way, shuddering on the floor and bleeding out. And Hannibal's too smart to have done that by accident. He was killing her just as her dad tried to kill her, and it was a scene Will had already seen before, in S1E1. That was just... cold.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
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    But here's a worse part: Hannibal is such a bastard. I need to look again, but how he cut Abigail up in the season 2 finale is (I think) exactly how her dad cut her in season 1. And she's laying there just the same way, shuddering on the floor and bleeding out. And Hannibal's too smart to have done that by accident. He was killing her just as her dad tried to kill her, and it was a scene Will had already seen before, in S1E1. That was just... cold.
    It's as if he's some kind of psychopath

    Yeesh, Hannibal on blu-ray. Add a really great sound system, that huge TV of yours, turn off all the lights, and you'll have your own personal virtual reality nightmare machine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    It's as if he's some kind of psychopath

    Yeesh, Hannibal on blu-ray. Add a really great sound system, that huge TV of yours, turn off all the lights, and you'll have your own personal virtual reality nightmare machine!
    Hannibal had nothing up on The Mountain.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Hannibal had nothing up on The Mountain.
    Be sure to rewatch that in blu ray.
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    I'm like a walkin', talkin', ouija board.

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    Watched S1E2.

    I think it was unclear throughout the first season whether Abigail was complicit in her father's crimes -- at least it seemed to be a question. In the end, I think we discovered that she was the "bait" for the girls, she would befriend them and bring them within range of her father, who then did to them whatever he had planned.

    In this episode, Jack pretty much floats all this to Will in the beginning. "She'd make a great bait, Will -- a lure." Will denies it as a possibility, he insists the killer acted alone. In a sense, they're both right (I don't think Abby ever killed anyone, did she? My memory is foggy.) But I wanted to note that Jack, the EST, had her pegged correctly before it all became confusing with Will's becoming too enmeshed with Hannibal.

    Also of interest -- Beverly Katz' engaging Will especially on the shooting range. She was a great character, one of her strengths being her self-confidence and forthrightness. She just walks into Will's world unapologetically, even breaks his body space to improve his shooting stance (successfully). She's inquisitive and she doesn't back down, but she's not necessarily hostile, she seems to take delight in engaging and being challenged herself. You know where you stand with Katz. Her two male compatriots don't seem nearly as forward.

    But... that has an obvious bearing on her future and theirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Be sure to rewatch that in blu ray.
    Hannibal is like a master painter, with style, finesse, delicate line work. Every dot is considered, every line consciously thought through. Of him it is said, "This is by design."

    The Mountain is like the amateur Jackson Pollack wannabe of splatterpaint.
    (Or, maybe a more apt analogy, the Gallagher.)

    I will note that maybe the similarity between GoT and Hannibal is that both have balls, no one is safe. As bad as S4E8 of GoT was, the season 2 finale to Hannibal leaves four cast members precariously poised between life and death, while the devil not only lives to fight another day but might even be a-courtin', nonny nonny -- it is not what we expected or hoped for.

    Just found this article:

    NBC Mads Mikkelsen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think it was unclear throughout the first season whether Abigail was complicit in her father's crimes -- at least it seemed to be a question. In the end, I think we discovered that she was the "bait" for the girls, she would befriend them and bring them within range of her father, who then did to them whatever he had planned.

    In this episode, Jack pretty much floats all this to Will in the beginning. "She'd make a great bait, Will -- a lure." Will denies it as a possibility, he insists the killer acted alone. In a sense, they're both right (I don't think Abby ever killed anyone, did she? My memory is foggy.) But I wanted to note that Jack, the EST, had her pegged correctly before it all became confusing with Will's becoming too enmeshed with Hannibal.
    Abigail did kill Nicholas Boyle. And the self-defense claim was questionable. Hannibal helped her cover up the body.

    BUT I don't think she's a killer. She did help her dad lure people to their deaths, but I don't think she got any enjoyment out of it. She was more doing it out of fear of her father, I think.

    Memory's a bit foggy as well.
    I've had this ice cream bar, since I was a child!

    Each thought's completely warped
    I'm like a walkin', talkin', ouija board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Also, you've convinced me. Frankly, Will is just a little too close for a comfort to me, as far as his psychological makeup compares to mine. I think you probably wouldn't be surprised to hear that.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Abigail did kill Nicholas Boyle. And the self-defense claim was questionable. Hannibal helped her cover up the body.
    Yeah, that was in Episode 3 , I think. That's where they become entangled -- it's not clear that she knows Hannibal is the guy who called (she hints at it) until she just comes out and says it. At that point, he uses his death to entrap her (and she's already emotionally compromised) so that they are now confidantes and she won't reveal him.

    He also kills her friend.

    BUT I don't think she's a killer. She did help her dad lure people to their deaths, but I don't think she got any enjoyment out of it. She was more doing it out of fear of her father, I think.

    Memory's a bit foggy as well.
    I don't remember what she says near the series' end but I think she talks more about it.

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    Moving on to Episode 4 , which did not air in the US:

    It's not one of the best episodes, and it's a bit different in tone for some reason... I haven't quite finished it yet, but the gist is that the villain isn't necessarily a serial killer. Different motivations. But it focuses on family -- children who go missing and how their families end up being shot to death at some point afterwards.

    Of interest:
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Teacup symbolism:


    Finishing Episode 4, here's something of interest about Abigail:




    And here's something of interest about Will:



    Peace in the Pieces Disassembled: Deconstructing Hannibal, Part V | Waiting for a TARDIS that never comes.

    Just understood the teacup scene from last episode : HannibalTV
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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