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    Ah, Chick Tracks! Those bring back the memories. It seems like a good plan to play the movie relatively straight. The unhinged wackiness is campy enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia View Post
    Lol, yeah. It's hard to believe that Chick hasn't quietly deleted tracts from his site in belated shame, that there are still nutters out there who buy into it.

    I grew up in a very rural and Protestant area where there are no doubt a few families who still buy into this sort of hysterical nonsense -- my high school librarian once told me that she read Harry Potter before she let her children read them, to make sure they were safe. But I didn't discover D&D until well after the Satanic scare, so oh man, I can only imagine playing D&D during that era.
    What was most interesting is that when I gave that speech for school, only 2-3 of my classmates even knew what I was talking about. My area was underexposed to the culture, so the churchy folk on their own didn't even really know what RPGs were at first. But if you went to Bible school camp or to a rally? That's where they hit you. That's how it filtered into the area -- not because it was actually causing problems but because the preachers showed up and told everyone how bad it was.

    Much of the "complaining" was done actually by traveling evangelists and tv televangelists who would host these rallies or spend a summer preaching to kids at local camps. When those traveling evangelists did their "youth rallies," well... let's just say I remember attending one rally around 1982-3 in the next town over, and they talked about the evils of rock music and the "Kings in Satan's Service" (the rock band KISS) and played their records backwards for us so that we could hear all the hellish backmasking.

    (Note: I heard nothing comprehensible.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Much of the "complaining" was done actually by traveling evangelists and tv televangelists who would host these rallies or spend a summer preaching to kids at local camps. When those traveling evangelists did their "youth rallies," well... let's just say I remember attending one rally around 1982-3 in the next town over, and they talked about the evils of rock music and the "Kings in Satan's Service" (the rock band KISS) and played their records backwards for us so that we could hear all the hellish backmasking.

    (Note: I heard nothing comprehensible.)
    Lol, that's a riot! I had a grade school friend whose devoutly born-again mother was a huge KISS fan.

    Anyhow, your memory of the youth rallies reminds me of a documentary I recently saw called Jesus Camp. Amidst much other nuttiness, a father gets preachy with some young boys for telling ghost stories at one point. Because ghost stories don't honor God.

    I can't imagine what he thinks of demons and dev...I mean, tanar'ri and baatezu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia View Post
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    PS: Keeping track of alignment seems like a nightmare, identity along with morality is rather illusory to me (and it probably is to most but...convenience not really believing but preaching etc...) so sticking to a consistent tack would be very hard.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia View Post
    Anyhow, your memory of the youth rallies reminds me of a documentary I recently saw called Jesus Camp. Amidst much other nuttiness, a father gets preachy with some young boys for telling ghost stories at one point. Because ghost stories don't honor God.
    Yeah, I started watching that on NetFlix and plan to finish it. What's scary is how familiar I am with those types of churches.

    I have to say, I was a big fan of Stephen King when I got into high school, and I learned more about goodness and pure-heartedness and honesty in some of his books than I did in the extremism of the church groups I was involved with. All those groups seem to just see the surface of things, what they look like, without delving into what's really going on in terms of essence.

    I can't imagine what he thinks of demons and dev...I mean, tanar'ri and baatezu.
    Oh, so you aware of the great demon purging of TSR? hahaha



    ... it's probably a bad time to state that I was now wondering if my current character could benefit from becoming a lich.
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    So Sumiko "turned good" but the party is undermining her efforts. When she was going to release the innocent captives in her soulstones, they started saying things like, "Are you sure you want to do that? You might have been able to do something with those." And then they started placing personal bets on how long it would take Sumiko to turn evil again! Like seriously... behind my back... placing small wagers!

    Last adventure, any non-perfectly-innocent question SUmiko asked (like "so what does this Staff of Undead Control do again, specifically?"], someone would say, "Uh.... Neutral." [She's currently in Neutral good.] or "well, do we have to take them prisoner? They served demons," and they'd be like, "Neutral Evil" and burst out laughing at me.

    ... no respect.

    So anyway, we met this lich, and he's helping us out because we've both got the same enemies; and after seeing him in action, Sumiko was thinking, "hmmmm." Because maybe it would empower her to resist the dead god who is trying to return to this plane. I asked, "So can liches be good?" to the GM, and everyone's like, "Evil again already, only two sessions." He said they could, if they atoned after they became a lich... but it wouldn't keep the pallies and inquisitors (possibly) from gunning for me on sight. I suspect I'd also have to do some pretty bad stuff in order to make that happen... although, you know, if you wanna make an omelet out of a dead god, you gotta break a few eggs and add a lot of cheese.
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    My son is closet D&D gamer, he says if any of his peers knew he played it would be the equivalent of social suicide. It's funny watching him take elaborate measures to avoid being seen in the store when purchasing game related material, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I have to say, I was a big fan of Stephen King when I got into high school, and I learned more about goodness and pure-heartedness and honesty in some of his books than I did in the extremism of the church groups I was involved with. All those groups seem to just see the surface of things, what they look like, without delving into what's really going on in terms of essence.
    Wow, Stephen King? The horror writer? Maybe it's time I give him a shot...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oh, so you aware of the great demon purging of TSR? hahaha
    Oh yes, and I originally thought that 'tanar'ri' and 'baatezu' were great little originalities when I started gaming in the 90s, believe it or not. It wasn't until the 21st century that other gamers clued me in on the reasons and history behind the terms. And in the meantime I had read a lot more fantasy lit, and had lost a lot of patience with invented words containing redundant letters and odd apostrophes.

    So I'm happy to leave D&D's PC terminology in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia View Post
    Wow, Stephen King? The horror writer? Maybe it's time I give him a shot...
    Yeah, please don't judge his books by his movies, most of which are terrible. (And even the few good ones, like Kubrick's "The Shining," are different in some ways from the book.) Probably The Shawshank Redemption (including the ending, which is almost verbatim from the novella) is one of the closest in tone to the original work. When he nails it, he can really spin a good yarn and develop a lot of pathos. But he's not afraid to go to dark places.

    (I do think much of his earlier stuff is better than the later stuff; he's kinda hit or miss nowadays.)

    Quote Originally Posted by violett View Post
    My son is closet D&D gamer, he says if any of his peers knew he played it would be the equivalent of social suicide. It's funny watching him take elaborate measures to avoid being seen in the store when purchasing game related material, lol.
    That's hilarious. It is like his secret shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violett View Post
    My son is closet D&D gamer, he says if any of his peers knew he played it would be the equivalent of social suicide. It's funny watching him take elaborate measures to avoid being seen in the store when purchasing game related material, lol.
    I was very much the same way when I was in middle-school.
    But, I discovered that the happiness of embracing and playing D&D and Magic:The Gathering openly filled me with a profound satisfaction that transcended (or at least held-at-bay) the fucking shitty hell of school.


    I had an extremely hard time at school, but playing D&D at lunch and after school made it tolerable.
    We used to play D&D after school for several hours - because some kids always tried to beat us up after school, so we out-waited-them by playing D&D for hours.
    I never told my mom, we all lied and said we were in a Math club. It worked because we were incredible at math, or our moms loved us.

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