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Did anyone get a good reading as to whose name was on the business card that was shown to Paul when he went looking for information regarding the jewels? I saw a T. That's it.

Edit - I think it's Teague Dixon. That dude is already dead. Yay!

So it seems like Ray killed the wrong guy based on a lie by Frank.
 

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Did anyone get a good reading as to whose name was on the business card that was shown to Paul when he went looking for information regarding the jewels? I saw a T. That's it.

Edit - I think it's Teague Dixon. That dude is already dead. Yay!

So it seems like Ray killed the wrong guy based on a lie by Frank.

Right. He may be dead but why was he taking pics of Paul when he was out with his war buddy? Because of the thing with the actress wearing a lojack on her ankle? Because he may have killed Ben Casper?
 

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Mixed feelings on Episode 5, in some ways it was a backslide. (Let's jump ahead two months, shall we? And have to regroup?) I'm just not big on Frank, although he and wife got a lot of time in this episode to talk about where things are going to get back on the same page with each other.

Then again, we got to see Rick Springfield get what was coming to him


And Velcarro found out what we were pretty sure of all along, and now there might be hell to pay... Darn it, Frank, just when you and wifey were starting to mend the fences.
 

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Episode 6 was better (it tends to improve when people are actually DOING things), although again there tends to be a lot of weak stuff in the Frank plotline (Vaughn again pulls off some scenes adequately and completely flatlines other scenes, like the opening bit between him and Colin Farrell in the kitchen -- you really see the difference between a struggling actor and someone who is quite talented... i'm hoping this get Farrell some new roles in the future because he really showed his range in this season).

 

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I don't see them doing much with this season. Besides they have only 2 episodes left. It's nothing compared to season 1.

What was it about season 1 that made me feel it was longer and better.
 

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From my perspective, in season 1 there weren't really any weak actors; and more importantly, the plot was more focused ("who is killing these girls?"). Everything plot-wise served that question. This season we have zillions of subplots and can't really see how progress in them has much to do with Caspere's death. Instead of interesting complexity in pursuit of a goal where progress keeps being made, we got complication and it's unclear what progress is being made.

In this last episode (which I still think is one of the best episodes of the season), Ani finds someone who I didn't even remember her looking for; and Frank gives a touching speech about some dead guy who I couldn't recall even being alive, let alone dead. I had to go back and research the synopses. That is the primary problem with this season, IMO.
 

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^ oh yeah thats why season 1 was better. Who is killing these girls.

Here we have no idea what to focus on.

Also th spooky rural setting of season 1 had an affect on me.
 

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From my perspective, in season 1 there weren't really any weak actors; and more importantly, the plot was more focused ("who is killing these girls?"). Everything plot-wise served that question. This season we have zillions of subplots and can't really see how progress in them has much to do with Caspere's death. Instead of interesting complexity in pursuit of a goal where progress keeps being made, we got complication and it's unclear what progress is being made.

In this last episode (which I still think is one of the best episodes of the season), Ani finds someone who I didn't even remember her looking for; and Frank gives a touching speech about some dead guy who I couldn't recall even being alive, let alone dead. I had to go back and research the synopses. That is the primary problem with this season, IMO.

I agree, too much going on is the problem. I still don't dislike the show but, season 1 had a single, very VERY clear objective. Who killed Ben Caspere is almost a subplot in this season and it's boring in comparison to the next set of teeth Frank is ripping out with pliers (I loved that btw), Ani's backstory, Ray's nearly suicidal behavior and Paul, well, he's like the only cop doing any cop (or true detective) work.

I really liked that choice of music they used at the orgy mansion. Much better than the standard danger music. And of COURSE there is a unicorn involved in this show.
 

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^ oh yeah thats why season 1 was better. Who is killing these girls.

Here we have no idea what to focus on.

Also th spooky rural setting of season 1 had an affect on me.

To me, there was always a pollution funk that touched everything in season 1. It was in the air, the soil and the people (remember Rust saying he could taste the aluminium and ash?) That, in addition to the creepy, fucked up, Louisiana setting (including all the hurricane and oil spill craziness) made it far more creepy. This season isn't creepy to me much at all.
 

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The creepiest part of this season (aside from the weird animal mask guy who we've barely seen) is the title sequence (to the tune of "Nevermind") which I really like. And maybe when Valcoro wakes up to the impersonator singing in his head. But that's not necessarily creepy except in a David Lynch kind of way. This season hasn't been as much about "creep" factor.

Who killed Ben Caspere is almost a subplot in this season and it's boring in comparison to the next set of teeth Frank is ripping out with pliers (I loved that btw)..

I think Frank always does better when he's doing something. That was definitely one of his more shining moments (along with the nail-torture from episode 6, etc.) The worst tends to be when they hand him some of that dialogue that McConaughey could pull off / make sound interesting but some actors can't...

I really liked that choice of music they used at the orgy mansion. Much better than the standard danger music. And of COURSE there is a unicorn involved in this show.

The whole orgy thing was really interesting. It could have very easily become another question of "Is HBO exploiting women for ratings / titillating adult content?" like what has happened in GoT at times, and instead based on the shots used / directorial choices worked as a dramatic element. (It became more like Ani was walking through hell, everything from her perspective, and trying to make sense of things...)
 

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^ I was glad that the orgy wasn't too visible. Dear HBO, we know how to access porn. Just give us a gist of it and we'd do the rest.

It seems that the female cop was molested as a child.

The dude who was caught for the said rape seemed confused; which makes me wonder whether it was indeed him who did it. He didn't have red hair and it was mentioned that the wife's original hair colour is brown. So from where did the kid get red hair. But they did said they caught him on DNA.

Could the female cop's father be involved in all of this.

Was it Teague Dixon who tortured that woman while being tied to a chair and who and why was she tortured. I kinda lost myself there or can't remember.

The diamonds led to an old case. So I wonder whether Carper's murder is related to that.
 

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It seems that the female cop was molested as a child.

Yeah, it could be contributing to Ani's alone-ness in the world (she has trouble with intimacy / LTRs, due to trust issues) and her continual aggression. I thought that three-minute scene in episode 5 where she got sent to Sexism Sensitivity Class was just surreal... :huh:

The dude who was caught for the said rape seemed confused; which makes me wonder whether it was indeed him who did it. He didn't have red hair and it was mentioned that the wife's original hair colour is brown. So from where did the kid get red hair. But they did said they caught him on DNA.

You can't assume that just because they confirmed that the guy's DNA matched the rape kit that it was his sperm that fathered the boy. They confirmed he raped her, they did not yet confirm his paternity.

Red hair is a variation of recessive traits:
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Red hair can originate from several changes on the MC1R-gene. If one of these changes is present on both chromosomes then the respective individual is likely to have red hair. This type of inheritance is described as an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance. Even if both parents do not have red hair themselves, both can be carriers for the gene and have a redheaded child.

So you could not express red and still be a carrier of the genes. It's not clear whether Ray is the dad, the rapist is the dad, or potentially even a third party.

Could the female cop's father be involved in all of this.

sure, why the hell not? everyone else is dirty. Although he seems rather straightforward so far. It's just he had a connection to Rick Springfield, didn't he? You just never know with this show.

Was it Teague Dixon who tortured that woman while being tied to a chair and who and why was she tortured. I kinda lost myself there or can't remember.

I don't think that's been clarified yet, although maybe ceecee remembers better than I can....

The diamonds led to an old case. So I wonder whether Carper's murder is related to that.

Yup, they were stolen around the time of the LA riots in 1992, so it's not clear yet whether they are connected to Caspere's murder. Also, the mayor's kids looked like those kids in the picture that the old cop reviewed....
 

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Oh yeah, saw this discourse on reddit:



Um, she used her sister's name. Bye Athena.

>>I knew something bad was going to happen to her as soon as she said she got into Cal Arts.

>>>>Said every parent of a Cal Arts student ever.

>> It could be worse. She could have crippling student loan debt and an art degree...

... and so it goes.


But yeah. The jokes had started before this week's episode (since Athena was all excited about getting into art school), and now she's likely in peril.
 

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Episode 6 was better (it tends to improve when people are actually DOING things)...
Amen to that. I also agree that there seems to be a lot of moving pieces that I don't see how they will tie together in just 2 more episodes. OTOH, those last couple episodes will have to move pretty quick, so it should be an entertaining ride.

One question - lady cop seemed to get much more messed up by that spray drug than many of the girls (there were still lots of girls in the background drinking/laughing working the crowd who didn't seem to be on the brink of unconsciousness). Only the Mexican girl seemed as messed up as she was. Did I miss something there? I want to speculate that maybe the party hosts drug certain girls who are in line for the snuff porn (or whatever other nefarious business is going on) to a higher degree so they are easy to handle later. But I might be reading too much into this, maybe they just needed a "dizzy/hallucinating" plot vehicle to introduce her molestation flashbacks.
 

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I interpreted that as her having a panic/anxiety attack due to her PTSD flashbacks in addition to the disorienting effect of the drug.
 

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Frank is completely unnecessary character, he should've been a subplot at most. Now he get's equal time as the three principal characters with a story that doesn't go anywhere. Vaughn really can't deliver that shitty dialogue plus his character is all over the place - trying to be deep and multidimensional but ending up just shallow and stupid.

There's no sense with the plot, too. Shame cause I like the three main characters, especially Ani. McAdams is really good.
 

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I only really remembered McAdams via "Mean Girls." I've been impressed with her work here. She just seems very natural.
 

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Episode 7 -- Aw damn. :( Sigh.

But it was a decent episode. Now that all the threads are coming together, the season feels like it has momentum. it is also the last hurrah, so to speak: Everyone is fucked, and all that remains to be seen is whether any of them can dig their way out with a Hail Mary and somehow come out alive, let alone ahead.

Can I say again how great I think McAdams and Farrell are in this series? They have some scenes here where even without much dialogue they convey a wealth of information and emotion.
 

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Episode 7 -- Aw damn. :( Sigh.

But it was a decent episode. Now that all the threads are coming together, the season feels like it has momentum. it is also the last hurrah, so to speak: Everyone is fucked, and all that remains to be seen is whether any of them can dig their way out with a Hail Mary and somehow come out alive, let alone ahead.

Can I say again how great I think McAdams and Farrell are in this series? They have some scenes here where even without much dialogue they convey a wealth of information and emotion.

You want me to roll a joint?

And how did I not see that line coming?

Second the Awww..damn. Everything is making sense now. I love Rachel McAdams in this. I liked her before but I think she is wonderful in this. And I think she and Colin Farrell do have chemistry, regardless of what I keep reading. Vince Vaughan - the more fucked up Frank is the better, imo.
 
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