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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Ha, I guess in a way he's kind of like Sean Penn, starting out as Spicolli. But revisiting some of the silly movies after watching something like A Time to Kill, I have a greater appreciation for those roles.
    What, like seeing John and Joan Cusack in "Sixteen Candles"?
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    Cross-post from my blog.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC
    Finished True Detective. Might post something longer about it in the True Detective thread -- IS there a True Detective thread? -- but the general gist is that I loved everything about it that was dark and intellectual and trope-breaking. I found myself relating a lot to Rust, regarding

    1) dual life: inner, intellectual world and small-talky anti-intellectual outside world
    2) contradiction between acknowledging the damage caused by too much introspection, and looking down on people who don't introspect at all
    3) commitment to ideals that tragically can never exist in the real world

    My main pet peeve was the plotline with Marty's wife. Was anticlimactic and overall a total letdown. My favorite part was the ending, which was so beautiful that I almost cried.
    Notable themes that I appreciated:
    - dark/light
    - knowing the self/escaping the self
    - knowledge as power and as curse
    - duality in general

    And elaboration on the Marty's wife plotline:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    <3
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    I always loved Michelle Monaghan ever since I saw her in MI3 with Tom Cruise.
    Anything that gives her more and deeper screen time is fine with me.
    I was disappointed she wasn't more prominent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I always loved Michelle Monaghan ever since I saw her in MI3 with Tom Cruise.
    Anything that gives her more and deeper screen time is fine with me.
    I was disappointed she wasn't more prominent.
    Agreed! Can we also note that she was INCREDIBLY beautiful for the entire series. (And Matthew McConaughey, who I usually don't think is attractive, was pretty amazing looking in all the flashback sequences as well. )

    Other side notes:

    - McConaughey better win some awards. Holy shit.

    - For the first two episodes, I mistook Rust's flash-foward work uniform outfit for prison garb? So I thought he was in jail in the future! Which would have been interesting enough that I was kind of disappointed when the real truth of the matter came out.



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    lol -- totally, on the six minute shot. I saw it on my small screen and ended up rewatching it on youTube. I want to get the season on Bluray and watch it again there. I mean, it's just a particular action shot that isn't like an epic battle or anything, but it's more the technical proficiency that was involved is just rather stunning -- that they managed to just have the choreography and timing down perfectly. It was a logistical/positioning nightmare and making sure the action was locked and focused appropriately.

    TBH, I remember wrestling with the ending. I'll have to watch it again to recall why.

    As far as awards, it looks like BB vs TD all the way. Who knows where that will go? They definitely opted to play in the big leagues, as I think if they had stayed in miniseries categories, they would have beaten AHS hands-down.
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    Finally going through this thread all the way.

    Wow.

    Explains yet another level of why I love this show -- it's Lovecraftian horror. And I've always loved that.

    Never even thought to make that connection.
    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Haven't you heard? It's called "the McConaissance". Yes, it's actually a thing.


    It's a whole new era! I still remember when one of my good friends only referred to him as "Matthew MygodIhatehim".
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    "Every time I think you hit the ceiling, you keep raising the bar. you're the michael jordan of being a son o' a bitch."

    God, this show has some of the greatest lines and deliveries I've ever heard. I can't even remember them all.

    .....
    I really appreciated the dialogue. Not just for the funny banter, but for when the really intellectual characters -- mostly Rust, but also some characters later -- alternate between that sort of language and SAT-word vocab. Compartmentalizing the academic language. It's a real thing in middle-of-nowhere America (like where I grew up) and it was validating to finally see it represented well on television.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Great tracking shot in Episode 4. What a bitch to choreograph and orchestrate.
    FOR REALS THOUGH. I still can't figure out how they managed that camera work. Closest thing to that scene that I ever saw was the 360-degree car-interior shot from "Children of Men" -- which was scarier, yes, but also a lot shorter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And I agree with one reviewer who said it was less about the crime investigation and more about the toll it took on the two men doing the investigating. They both took a lot of serious damage emotionally and relationally along the way, and for me it was more compelling to see how that resolved than whether the crime was solved and/or both men survived the season. They both had some pretty dark journeys... and both were very human and in some ways difficult to like at times... yet I was still rooting for them and wanted to see them succeed.

    I'm glad the show preserved a lot of that good stuff to the very end.
    Same. They didn't preserve as much as I would like -- seems like the best psychological stuff was all in the first two or three episodes -- but the finale made up for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oh, and about this plot point (big spoiler):



    I'm also scanning Rust as an Enneagram One moralist type (rigid self-discipline, stringent moral judgment of himself and others), probably an SP variant, and probably an INFJ in a harsh Ni-Ti loop where he can just reinforce his intuitions with a hard-ass Thinking process. Note his Fe use is typically utilitarian, he uses it to achieve goals especially when interrogating or interviewing people, but he never really uses it to truly connect in a personal way until 2012 -- he actually asks Marty how he is and what he's been up to, and Marty says, "I don't think you've ever asked me that before." The 2012 Rust is a bit softer, older, more open, more accepting of his humanity and the humanity of others.
    I'd thought he might be INTP, but any Ti type would make sense to me. Ni-Ti loop is a good explanation. No doubt in my mind that he's 1w9 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    It's a whole new era! I still remember when one of my good friends only referred to him as "Matthew MygodIhatehim".
    Yeah, pardon my french, but i felt like the first chapter in his acting career, he was just fucking around. About the only thing I liked him in was "Contact," and that was more because I liked the movie, and he came off better in the extended cut.

    Then he disappeared for some years, and then I saw him in "Killer Joe" a few years back and was like, "WTF? That's MMc??" He totally stepped up his game and finally figured out what he was doing. (And yeah, I'm not an actor, just an observer -- but from the outside, I saw such a huge leap in his quality of work.)

    FOR REALS THOUGH. I still can't figure out how they managed that camera work. Closest thing to that scene that I ever saw was the 360-degree car-interior shot from "Children of Men" -- which was scarier, yes, but also a lot shorter.
    I gotta finish that movie.

    GoT tried what amounted to a 360 tracking shot in S4E9 (the Wall battle), but it wasn't nearly as long and IMO was easier since the camera stays so distant and the cameraman really doesn't have to move, just spin. The Avengers movie had a long one as well (30 seconds? 40?) but it involved computer imagery so it wasn't a real tracking shot IMO... it took different skills to set up. It's different when you have a single camera guy standing there who has to nail the entire shot (framing and focus) and meanwhile stay out of everyone's way.
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    List of winners from the 66th Emmy Awards - Yahoo News

    Well, the competition did get exposure for the series, but in terms of walkaway awards, "True Detective" lost almost every race against BB. BB had a ton of wins:

    — Drama Series: "Breaking Bad," AMC

    — Actor, Drama Series: Bryan Cranston, "Breaking Bad," AMC

    — Supporting Actor, Drama Series: Aaron Paul, "Breaking Bad," AMC

    — Supporting Actress, Drama Series: Anna Gunn, "Breaking Bad," AMC

    — Writing, Drama Series: Moira Walley-Beckett, "Breaking Bad," AMC [For "Ozymandias," of course.]



    However, TD got one Emmy for directing:

    — Directing, Drama Series: Cary Joji Fukunaga, "True Detective," HBO [for "Who Goes There" -- the one with the six-minute tracking shot, booya!!!]

    It did beat out Gilligan's directing on the last episode of BB in this case... which is no mean feat, because BB's last episode was tight and paced very well (especially the last ten minutes). Sometimes I've thought, "Oh, I wish they would have paced this or framed that <this way>" but I have trouble thinking of anything in "Felina" that I would have changed.

    That tracking shot was just a helluva closer.
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    I was expecting TD to not get anything, so I'm pleasantly surprised that the tracking shot got some recognition, at the very least!

    They really should have kept it in the miniseries category. I have no idea what they were thinking. McConaughey for SURE would have beat Benedict Cumberbatch. Easily.
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