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    I spent 2005-2007 studying art (diploma in ceramics) and it was doing that that got me back interested in MBTI.

    For 20 years I'd been in InfoTech (pure tech roles all the way through to senior managment). One big US company I worked for used MBTI extensively to help with all the physical and virtual teams we'd end up on. InfoTech suited my NTJness. I did things well, on time and without fuss. "results focus". Most of the techies and those with a techie background were xNTx - some great INTJ/INTP backroomers and some ENTJ/ENTP types in the more managerial and otherwise tough roles. I fitted right in.

    Then in this Art course I struggled so I went back to MBTI theory and looked at it - yep a lot of the folks in the course were ISFP/ESFP with a few weak J types. They all had experience in art (virtually all were "mature age" students) and I had none. I freaked at how out of my depth I was, then I calmed down and just approached each task as I had done work projects. I ended up with the academic excellence award and one of 2 prizes for "good art". A lot of the "artistic types" just couldn't work to deadlines, and couldn't be systematic (very important in ceramics - tiny percentage differences in glazing and firing may make a big difference!). I spoke to the teachers and one of them remarked that there had been quite a few people "like me" in approach (and it turns out at least 2 of them knew they were INTJ when I asked them) who did well - good art they could do reliably and really tended to be the ones who could make a living out of their work as a result.

    I don't think it's necessary to be a "professional artist" - in fact it may be better as a "profitable hobby". Yet there is a sad snobbery against "hobbyists".

    Yet for 2 years I had to listen to the "creative types" talk about their ideas endlessly, and how they didn't know how they'd do them (hey, if they'd paid attention thats what the teachers were trying to teach!) and then about all the stuff that stopped them doing "it". Then they'd do it all at the last minute and almost never got their visual diary ideas into reality. Now with ceramics you need to make a piece, dry it (sometimes over days) and then do 2 firings that will take about a 48 hour time window. Lots of things can go wrong and to succeed you needed to factor that in.

    I think all of us are creative - it is just that we need to find our "thing" to bring it out. Yes there's amateurs/hobbyists and then professional artists. But it takes a long time for most to build up to where they can "give up their day jobs".

    As far as type goes I can see that xSFP gives you immediate access to "just what is there", good Feeling to take the idea a step further and the patience to explore how to do that (P). As an xNTJ I could come up with an idea quickly (N) and work out how to make it real (T) and just do it (J). So for me the only difference I noticed between types was a more organic approach to appearance by the SFP types, and a more precise style (sculpted etc) for the NTJs. But this was not hard and fast...

    In one book on painting (we covered ceramics/drawing/painting/design/photography in the course!) there was a good "joke" about acrylic paints that could apply:

    The good thing about acrylic paint is that it dries quickly, and the bad thing about acrylic paint is that it dries quickly. To me that's sort of how we have to deal with everything in life regardless of our type - know whether our preferences are likely to be an asset or a liability in a particular scenario.
    as and NTJ I got my work done well and on time, but could I have taken more time to work the design through and produced something better? The SFPs had a series of fantastic ideas on paper but seldom had anything like what they wanted as the final piece in time for assessment (heck, if they had a year they would have had great pieces!).

    I learned to a bit about experimenting with the type thing by trying to take a more SFP approach (couldn't do S... and struggled with F...)

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    I'm an INTJ and have published two books of poetry, am obsessed with painting and love music.

    I'm deeply moved by the order of art, the moral compulsion to create order out of chaos. Like Robert Frost, I see the arts as 'a momentary stay against confusion'.

    I tend to be attracted to ideas in art, and clean distinct line. Keats' 'Oh for a life of sensations rather than of thoughts' never chimed with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativeRhino View Post
    As far as type goes I can see that xSFP gives you immediate access to "just what is there"
    I think this was my biggest thing...it takes a greater effort for me to just "see" what's there in front of me "as it is", or to see the thing "for itself". Some people just have that ability. I had to literally learn how to do this through practice because it didn't come naturally.

    Quote Originally Posted by creativeRhino View Post
    In one book on painting (we covered ceramics/drawing/painting/design/photography in the course!) there was a good "joke" about acrylic paints that could apply:

    The good thing about acrylic paint is that it dries quickly, and the bad thing about acrylic paint is that it dries quickly.
    I liked acrylics until I tried oils. Man what a difference. I know this is unrelated to what you were saying, but I really can't work with how fast acrylics dry. In fact, even before I used oils and could compare the two, I liked to use a slow-dry medium with the acrylics.
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    I draw, always have. I'm just one of those who never stopped. But I wouldn't call my work "art", I see it as "craft". My drawings are usually very technical and "correct", of course this might have something to do with the training I got at The Drawing Academy, which was mostly classical drawing and aimed at people who want to become animators. I get more creative when it comes to creating concepts and characters.

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    I am surprised to see it is mostly NTs, and NFs that responded to this post. I was expecting a lot of SF artist to post.

    I am still in the process of going through different styles. At first I think my drawings were very influenced on the technical level. As a novice I could not get full realism, but I tried to be somewhat realistic. Now I look at those pictures and they seem a little bit boring, lacking something even though they are pretty.

    I also did a series of abstracts that were a representation of some strong feelings (emotions) I had at the time. Those seemed to be more powerful, meaningful cards.

    The work I have been doing lately I think is more N driven. Sometimes I will just take my supplies and work with them and art will just come out. This is in contrast to earlier work where I would think about it a bit before I did anything. It isn't a specific style of art - that varies - but a type of art. I enjoy this much more than the other types of art, I like the finished product better as well - it seems more meaningful. I have a much deeper connection to my art.

    It feels really meaningful to me, but it is not really obvious by looking at the pictures. They are often just simple pictures and designs.

    There are some (to me) unusual attitudes on the art board in am on. When people talk about the meaning of art, there are a number of people who say things like "Why does art have to mean something? Why can't it just be something that looks pretty?" Sometimes they are so loud and vocal about it that it tables the discussion on symbolism and meaning in art.

    I still use T a little to learn new techniques, but they don't really become fun till I have them down enough to use without thinking too much.

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    INFJ - i think
    and i don't plan any of my art
    i see something, or experience an aha
    and i write the song
    then i plot out chords that correspond to the tone of the emotion
    or in the reverse order
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    There are some (to me) unusual attitudes on the art board in am on. When people talk about the meaning of art, there are a number of people who say things like "Why does art have to mean something? Why can't it just be something that looks pretty?" Sometimes they are so loud and vocal about it that it tables the discussion on symbolism and meaning in art.
    Are you on a concept art board? If so, I can imagine that they'd have that kind of an attitude. I used to think that way a lot, but I've toned it down a bit now and can see the value of interpretation. That being said, I am still more inclined to enjoy the beauty of the technique and execution in a piece than my own interpretation of its meaning. It's probably because I'm no good at it .

    Oh, and about the NF and NT thing...I don't have access to any statistics off hand, but I'm inclined to say that the overwhelming majority of posters on this type of forum are N's and not S's. That's probably why there is such an imbalance in the responses to this thread.
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    Most of my art is music, but I've done a few paintings, too.

    In music, I just try to make something that sounds good (which means it could be a pretty jazz ballad or something that rocks/blueses hard, as long as it sounds good). I've been playing guitar for almost 5 years and harmonica for maybe two or three. I like to make some music that portrays a certain emotion, but soemtimes that emotion is just "yes! this is awesome!" rather than sad/happy/ect.

    In painting and drawing I often do crazy surrealistic stuff like flying Rhino's and faces crashing into the earth like a comet and windmills coming out of giant pop cans, ect. I just go for the visual effect there. I like landscapes, too. I don't paint or draw that often, but I take art in school.



    The face has better shading in person, by the way, but it's a light blue wash so it doesn't show up on camera...

    I don't see art as a way to make social commentary, but I do sometimes like it be be overall reflective of human nature.

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    GZA, I really like the piece you posted, it's very expressive. Watercolor? The composition is very good- it leads the eye from the right (starting with the windmill-thing shadow) to the left, and is bounded by the face which re-directs it to the center. The boat, also, is pointing to the center, and the big red thing flows with the movement. If I were to offer any constructive criticism of the composition, if I may, it would be that the boat should be placed closer in space to the bottom left corner of the frame so that it has a more dynamic position, leading the eye from the immediate left to the right where the windmill-thing is placed. The face could also be smaller, or further in the space plane from the windmill-thing. I know you probably didn't post it for crit, but I'm in an 'arty' frame of mind today, so sorry .

    I like it though . Good job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Are you on a concept art board? If so, I can imagine that they'd have that kind of an attitude. I used to think that way a lot, but I've toned it down a bit now and can see the value of interpretation. That being said, I am still more inclined to enjoy the beauty of the technique and execution in a piece than my own interpretation of its meaning. It's probably because I'm no good at it .

    Oh, and about the NF and NT thing...I don't have access to any statistics off hand, but I'm inclined to say that the overwhelming majority of posters on this type of forum are N's and not S's. That's probably why there is such an imbalance in the responses to this thread.
    I am not sure what you mean by concept art board. The primary purpose is of the board is a a forum for members to trade art with each other. As a secondary purpose there is an area to talk about art and an area to talk about off topic stuff. The art discussion is mostly about techniques and supplies. There will be some posts about getting over artistic slumps but very little interest in the philosophy or feelings behing the art.

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