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    Default The Making of "A Clockwork Orange" (YouTube Documentary)

    "Kubrick had a couple of bad experiences with screenings of the film with people misunderstanding, or people enjoying the violence of it. They felt that it was sort of giving them a rush."

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    It was the only movie I remember to have seen, liked but couldn't watch entirely because the violence of it was too shocking.

    However I skipped and watched the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    It was the only movie I remember to have seen, liked but couldn't watch entirely because the violence of it was too shocking.

    However I skipped and watched the end of it.
    You're simply misunderstanding the ultra-violence part of it!

    Hey, what was ultra-violence supposed to be about anyway? Does Kubrick think we are mind-readers? Does he think everybody, including teens, will understand the depth of thought that went into ultra-violence? Did he imagine that there would be no copycat crimes? Did he have no understanding that there are psychologies in his audience different than his own, that he may be influencing sociopaths and psychopaths who wouldn't care what the movie was supposed to be about, particularly since he didn't bother to explain it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You're simply misunderstanding the ultra-violence part of it!

    Hey, what was ultra-violence supposed to be about anyway? Does Kubrick think we are mind-readers? Does he think everybody, including teens, will understand the depth of thought that went into ultra-violence? Did he imagine that there would be no copycat crimes? Did he have no understanding that there are psychologies in his audience different than his own, that he may be influencing sociopaths and psychopaths who wouldn't care what the movie was supposed to be about, particularly since he didn't bother to explain it?
    It was based on a book. Kubrick didn't think up the ultra-violence.

    I also doubt he influenced socipaths or psychopaths. People have been doing twisted shit since before there were violent movies.

    Doesn't this seem like something out of a violent movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    It was based on a book. Kubrick didn't think up the ultra-violence.

    I also doubt he influenced socipaths or psychopaths. People have been doing twisted shit since before there were violent movies.

    Doesn't this seem like something out of a violent movie?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes


    It was Anthony Burgess who thought up "ultra-violence" (not just violence, obviously). Kubrick influenced real life ultra-violence in the form of a gang who raped a tourist while singing "Singing in the Rain." These instances were happening so frequently that Kubrick withdrew the movie from the public for 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    It was Anthony Burgess who thought up "ultra-violence" (not just violence, obviously). Kubrick influenced real life ultra-violence in the form of a gang who raped a tourist while singing "Singing in the Rain." These instances were happening so frequently that Kubrick withdrew the movie from the public for 25 years.
    He seems to have withdrawn the movie because of public pressure, not his own personal opinions.

    Kubrick's own words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrick, via Paul Duncan, Stanley Kubrick: The Complete Films, page 136
    To try and fasten any responsibility on art as the cause of life seems to me to put the case the wrong way around. Art consists of reshaping life, but it does not create life, nor cause life. Furthermore, to attribute powerful suggestive qualities to a film is at odds with the scientifically accepted view that, even after deep hypnosis in a posthypnotic state, people cannot be made to do things which are at odds with their natures.
    I agree with that. The people that did that probably would have committed crimes anyway. I did not know about that research, but it does not surprise me.
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    I remember stopping up late at the age of...I think 7-8 and watching this without my parents consent. I was a violent child, but if anything while I didn't understand the film at the time it actually made me uneasy and I became less violent at school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    He seems to have withdrawn the movie because of public pressure, not his own personal opinions.

    Kubrick's own words:



    I agree with that. The people that did that probably would have committed crimes anyway. I did not know about that research, but it does not surprise me.
    Yes they would have committed crimes anyway, but not crimes obviously intended to emulate events in the movie.

    Here is a (possible) definition of "Ultra-violence": "violence [which] is so physically graceful, visually dazzling and meticulously executed that our instinctual, emotional responses undermine any rational objections we may have."
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    And Christopher Nolan was responsible for the Aurora shooting.

    Fuck that.

    Artists are not responsible for the actions of others.
    While Clockwork Orange was disturbing, the reaction was even moreso.

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    Do we have a libertarian arguing for censorship in this thread? It seems that way.
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