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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Am I in bizarro world here?

    Why does it seem like this is the only forum where my conception of INFJ is what everyone else thinks is INFP, and what I think INFP, everyone thinks INFJ?

    It wasn't like this until I joined this forum. Does everyone here go by kiersey or something? Cuz in that case I'm an ENTJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    I'm not even going to talk about it, because everyone's understanding of introverts functions is so ass backwards I'm just going to incite a riot and insult everyone's current understanding of typology.

    In short, Ni is a perception function that percieves an overall picture across a larger timespan, while Se is a very point specific perception that is timeless.

    The two functions are interconnected. INFJ's are often "the muses" or "the romanticists" as socionics puts it. In my understanding, every one of the artists you mentioned check my box for INFJ musicians.
    I'm not sure I follow you. How would you define INFJs and INFP fundamental traits, respectively?

    I agree that some of the typings are debatable, but I don't see how those musicians are devoid of INFP traits. Kurt Cobain, for example, seems utterly INFP. Have you read his suicide note? To me it could not be any more INFP-like:

    To Boddah (his imaginary childhood friend)

    Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, the ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guilty beyond words about these things. For example when we're backstage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowd begins, it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seem to love, relish in the love and adoration from the crowd, which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do, God believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. I must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know! I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become. I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along and have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess. Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody, baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out then to fade away.

    Peace, Love, Empathy. Kurt Cobain.

    Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. for her life will be so much happier without me. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU
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    ^This letter is so weird. Totally Fi up to the last sentence and you have an explosion of Fe: "Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. for her life will be so much happier without me. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU"

    Either he wrote it later than the rest, and was already in a limit emotional state, or someone else wrote that shit. Also, some people say that the whole letter (up to Peace, Love, Empathy) is about leaving the music business, not about dying. In fact, re-reading it, trying to pretend you dont know about he outcome, you wouldn't say it's a suicide note...

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    oh wait, I got one!



    INFP or INFJ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    He's also really comfortable with the "dark side".
    Sorry, i'm not quite understanding this, are you saying INFP's aren't okay with the dark side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    ^This letter is so weird. Totally Fi up to the last sentence and you have an explosion of Fe: "Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. for her life will be so much happier without me. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU"

    Either he wrote it later than the rest, and was already in a limit emotional state, or someone else wrote that shit.
    I took that as a moment of pure and heartfelt emotional honesty, (especially after writing a rather detached explanation). It is a suicide note after all.

    Also, some people say that the whole letter (up to Peace, Love, Empathy) is about leaving the music business, not about dying. In fact, re-reading it, trying to pretend you dont know about he outcome, you wouldn't say it's a suicide note...
    I suppose it is odd, but I saw the whole focus on the music business as merely a way to demonstrate the emptiness he felt (and how central music had been in his life). What I find more remarkable is the mix of playfulness and serenity in it. It's usual to see someone be that calm and blithe in a state of total disillusionment. Maybe he was just happy that it was soon to be over. And strangely, the thinking makes sense to me.

    Again, such a INFP...

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    oh wait, I got one!



    INFP or INFJ?
    I always went with INFJ with Harrison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post

    I always went with INFJ with Harrison.

    INFJ makes sense. I find him the most relatable Beatle... I can understand what he's saying in interviewers, where Lennon just makes me scratch my head (ENFP, I think).

    GEORGE: "But it's really the same end as meditation. The response that comes from it is in the form of bliss. The more you do it, the more you don't wanna stop it, because it feels so nice. Peaceful. I believe in the saying, 'If there's a God, we must see him.' And I don't believe in the idea like, in most churches they say now, you're not gonna see him, he's way above you. Just believe what we tell you and shut up. Well, their whole thing is a different way. It's a process of actually having that realization and direct God perception, which is the thing you can attain through chanting and through meditation. And then you don't have any questions. You don't have to ask the vicar about this, because it all becomes clear with the expanded state of consciousness. But you don't get it in five minutes. It's something that takes a long time. So it's really... It's like to give peace a chance, or all you need is love. The thing is, you can't just stand there and say, love, love, love or peace, peace, peace and get it. You have to have a direct process of attaining that. Like Christ said, 'Put your own house in order.' Maharishi said, 'For a forest to be green, each tree must be green.' So the same for the world to have peace, each individual must have peace. And you don't get it through society's normal channels. And that's why each individual must tend to himself and get his own peace. And that way the whole society will have peace."
    What do people think? Is this Ni, or Fi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijntje View Post
    Sorry, i'm not quite understanding this, are you saying INFP's aren't okay with the dark side?
    They are? In my experience, they don't seem to like thinking about it. "that's too depressing" is something I seem to hear a lot from them... and I'm basing this on more than one INFP. You've never known an INFP to get two thirds of the way through a book, and then put it down because it's "too upsetting?" Admittedly, I find this really weird, because isn't the point of art to stir your emotions? If something makes you feel, isn't that good?
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    They are? In my experience, they don't seem to like thinking about it. "that's too depressing" is something I seem to hear a lot from them... and I'm basing this on more than one INFP. You've never known an INFP to get two thirds of the way through a book, and then put it down because it's "too upsetting?" Admittedly, I find this really weird, because isn't the point of art to stir your emotions? If something makes you feel, isn't that good?

    Oh wow. You've only met the fluffy variety of INFP.

    INFP's can be excellent at embracing the dark side of life, a lot of male INFP's especially. They court the unpleasant, depressing or morose sides of life.

    I can't say I've known an INFP to stop reading a book halfway through because it was upsetting, I mean everyone can put one DOWN for a minute or two if the subject matter takes a turn for the emotionally disturbing, but not pick it back up again? What a waste of a book.

    But yeah, there a varieties of INFP and one of them embraces the dark, possibly more thoroughly than many other types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijntje View Post
    Oh wow. You've only met the fluffy variety of INFP.

    INFP's can be excellent at embracing the dark side of life, a lot of male INFP's especially. They court the unpleasant, depressing or morose sides of life.

    I can't say I've known an INFP to stop reading a book halfway through because it was upsetting, I mean everyone can put one DOWN for a minute or two if the subject matter takes a turn for the emotionally disturbing, but not pick it back up again? What a waste of a book.

    But yeah, there a varieties of INFP and one of them embraces the dark, possibly more thoroughly than many other types.
    Yeah. I'm quite comfortable with the dark side.
    But my friend Christina (also INFP) is not at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    INFJ makes sense. I find him the most relatable Beatle... I can understand what he's saying in interviewers, where Lennon just makes me scratch my head (ENFP, I think).
    I think Lennon is an ENTP. He had a lot of that Ne+sarcasm ENTP humor...I'm not really able to define it much more than that, but he just gives me the same impression as my ENTP friends.

    PS: I don't know what that God rant was all about, but whatever it was, it was not Fi.

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