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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    ...Seriously? I won't even get into specifics or the obvious.

    -One of the most blatant and central themes of Darkness--that would be vengeance--had been beaten to death in the franchise long before this movie was even in development.

    -Or how about the emergence of a "HOLY-SHIT-YOUR-PANTS" size vessel that absolutely outclasses the Enterprise and is magically destroyed by some cheap, seen-it-from-a-mile-away macguffin? Remember that steaming turd Nemesis? Yeah, well that movie actually managed to pull it off with more sophistication.

    And that is DEFINITELY saying something.
    I see, you're yet another online movie critic. How derivative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    Well, gee. Glad you liked it.



    As an individual moment, yes. It was shockingly brutal for a PG-13 movie.
    Balls out, baby. Balls out.

    Edit: Read this review...Nordling takes the words right out of my mouth:

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62468
    J.J. Abrams put something derivative into the franchise in a very brilliant way - by making it obvious as hell. If this doesn't knock down the "ripoff" critics, who are falling over each other to be the first online movie critic Genius to point out the obvious parallels, nothing will.

    Spot on, Sherlock, spot on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Pick it apart, and then come up with a better idea for a movie. You can't.
    Amazing. Got any more juvenile ways to essentially dismiss criticism? Oh wait, now you'll go ahead and agree with me. Whut?

    However, I'm not disagreeing with most of the little nitpickings. But I don't let some continuity errors spoil the movie for me. Or Kirk saying "I'm speaking to the half-human part of you." Huh?

    I do disagree with this nitpicking:



    because that's the aspect of the movie that makes some of the other nitpickings make sense, for example:



    And besides:

    Whatever.

    But please don't say that you didn't "let" certain things spoil the movie for you, which insinuates I can choose to not be bothered by something or not. That's insinuating that I don't actually want to like it and thus am somehow choosing to let my enjoyment be derailed.

    I actually badly wanted to like this movie. It's not my fault if the kinds of problems I ran across, for me, made this movie less palatable for me than I had wished. Remember, for me, this was my "summer pick." I've been waiting for months to see this. Wouldn't you think I would like it more if I could?

    Apparently those kinds of problems don't bother you as much. More power to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    -Or how about the emergence of a "HOLY-SHIT-YOUR-PANTS" size vessel that absolutely outclasses the Enterprise and is magically destroyed by some cheap, seen-it-from-a-mile-away macguffin? Remember that steaming turd Nemesis? Yeah, well that movie actually managed to pull it off with more sophistication than the last two.
    Hell, as far as big ships go, we only have to go back as far as Star Trek 2009. (Although there, I think, the resolution didn't feel as telegraphed even if apparent. The red matter seemed to rationally have the properties it did. Here, it seemed that the items in question had an abnormal set of properties, even noted at the time... conveniently just to allow for the ruse to work.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Whatever.

    But please don't say that you didn't "let" certain things spoil the movie for you, which insinuates I can choose to not be bothered by something or not. That's insinuating that I don't actually want to like it and thus am somehow choosing to let my enjoyment be derailed.

    I actually badly wanted to like this movie. It's not my fault if the kinds of problems I ran across, for me, made this movie less palatable for me than I had wished. Remember, for me, this was my "summer pick." I've been waiting for months to see this. Wouldn't you think I would like it more if I could?

    Apparently those kinds of problems don't bother you as much. More power to you.
    Whatever.
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    This video is for those whose movie experience is ruined by things like continuity errors.



    Are we become such a cynical society?
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    Yeah...I really don't have to explain myself to you, kid.

    I enjoyed aspects of the movie; I enjoyed it on a surface level.
    The set pieces were huge, the 'splosions were pretty, Alice Eve had a nice rack, blah, blah, blah.

    But as a piece of cohesive fiction, it was too dependent on the conventions of modern blockbuster cinema. That is all.

    P.S.: Do your homework while you are at it--I don't want you to repeat the 7th grade again.

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    Thankfully, this movie is not raking in the box office receipts that Paramount was hoping. Hopefully it will be a lesson for the studio not to assume the audience is not going to get all the Star Trek II/"Space Seed" references. Though it would be nice to get Nicholas Meyer to do a Trek film again. It would also be nice to have Klingons be major adversaries for the next Trek. Of course, that also makes it a little too easy to remake Star Trek III.

    Another problem I had with the movie was that I felt sorry for the CG character animators. They were given next to nothing to do aside from a couple of creatures during the opening scene that are barely given a second of screen time.

    I will, however, admit that the post stereoscopic conversion for this movie was excellent. And the vfx were very pretty. And the new warp effect is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü™ View Post
    And the new warp effect is awesome.
    Yeah, I liked that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    Yeah...I really don't have to explain myself to you, kid.

    I enjoyed aspects of the movie; I enjoyed it on a surface level.
    The set pieces were huge, the 'splosions were pretty, Alice Eve had a nice rack, blah, blah, blah.

    But as a piece of cohesive fiction, it was too dependent on the conventions of modern blockbuster cinema. That is all.

    P.S.: Do your homework while you are at it--I don't want you to repeat the 7th grade again.
    I guarantee I'm older than you, kid.

    And this movie was cohesive. Now go back to IMDB where the kiddie forums await your majestic intellect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü™ View Post
    Thankfully, this movie is not raking in the box office receipts that Paramount was hoping. Hopefully it will be a lesson for the studio not to assume the audience is not going to get all the Star Trek II/"Space Seed" references. Though it would be nice to get Nicholas Meyer to do a Trek film again. It would also be nice to have Klingons be major adversaries for the next Trek. Of course, that also makes it a little too easy to remake Star Trek III.

    Another problem I had with the movie was that I felt sorry for the CG character animators. They were given next to nothing to do aside from a couple of creatures during the opening scene that are barely given a second of screen time.

    I will, however, admit that the post stereoscopic conversion for this movie was excellent. And the vfx were very pretty. And the new warp effect is awesome.
    Of course the Klingons will be the major villain in the next Star Trek. There were hints of that in this movie. I would say they were more than mere hints, however. According to Pike, the Klingons had been making incursions into Federation space and attacked some Federation planets. They were just looking for any excuse to declare all out war.


    Also (and this isn't directed at you, Ü™), tiny areas of predictability are common in movies, it is no reason to dislike any movie. If the entire movie was predictable, then yes, it would fail to hold my interest and I would dislike it. But on the whole, this movie's plot was not predictable. I came into it cold, with no knowledge of the plot (except that it would present a typical good guy/bad guy scenario). I didn't know who the main villain was, and in this movie, that is a very important factor to consider.

    This Star Trek movie could have been improved in a few ways. I didn't care for the brief scene where the dog was sniffing the lady's boob at the beginning of the movie. And there were some continuity errors at the beginning which, since I noticed them, means they were really bad because I normally don't notice little details like that in movies. Also,

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